Rdodge30
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- Dec 30, 2022
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Loved it when it got called GBeebies on hereI updated our Freeview channels and used the opportunity to delete GBNews/TalkTV. Now I don’t even come across the trash by accident.
Loved it when it got called GBeebies on hereI updated our Freeview channels and used the opportunity to delete GBNews/TalkTV. Now I don’t even come across the trash by accident.
It's hardly new though is it. They've been at it at least since the 1980s and it's been one-way traffic. Bendy bananas. European superstate. Up Yours Delors. And so on.Spoke to my pro Brexit Dad earlier. He reckons if it had been Proportional Representation then Farage would be PM as they got more votes than Labour.
I told hom taht was simply untrue. A very quickly Google showed the figures and his defence was It was in the paper and I saw it online.
The indoctrination is frightening.
He was also annoyed that the news (GB?) said Starmer was rejoining the EU without a vote!
Given a little more thought I do think that Lord Mandelson is the only Labour member with enough experience, knowledge and gravitas to lead negotiations, he is the very definition of a political heavyweight.Who do you think is best placed to be negotiating?
I was right when I said you are on fire.Given a little more thought I do think that Lord Mandelson is the only Labour member with enough experience, knowledge and gravitas to lead negotiations, he is the very definition of a political heavyweight.
Apart from Yvette Cooper the Labour Party in the commons is extremely light on experience and/or competence, many would be out of their depth.
To be honest there really should be a Parliamentary department with a designated minister if the Prime Minister insists on going down this route, any negotiations with the EU will be hellish and hellish long, no place for a Prime Minister to be spending time at all.
Even a European Union negotiations committee, similar to the one Hillary Benn chaired could act as a second tier scrutiny panel along with something similar in the upper house, There is a House of Lords International Agreements Committee which has 3 Labour Peers on , former Attorney General Lord Goldsmith and Barrister Lord Anderson among them.
However I expect that everything will go through the Cabinet Office and the PM’s desk.
Mandelson comes with baggage. On the practical side he was a European Commissioner for Trade for 4 years and openly anti-Brexit, fervently pro-EU so his objectivity will come into question. On the personal side New York court documents revealed he had "a particularly close relationship" with Jeffrey Epstein.Given a little more thought I do think that Lord Mandelson is the only Labour member with enough experience, knowledge and gravitas to lead negotiations, he is the very definition of a political heavyweight.
Apart from Yvette Cooper the Labour Party in the commons is extremely light on experience and/or competence, many would be out of their depth.
To be honest there really should be a Parliamentary department with a designated minister if the Prime Minister insists on going down this route, any negotiations with the EU will be hellish and hellish long, no place for a Prime Minister to be spending time at all.
Even a European Union negotiations committee, similar to the one Hillary Benn chaired could act as a second tier scrutiny panel along with something similar in the upper house, There is a House of Lords International Agreements Committee which has 3 Labour Peers on , former Attorney General Lord Goldsmith and Barrister Lord Anderson among them.
However I expect that everything will go through the Cabinet Office and the PM’s desk. Edit: (I expect this because it would be the wrong decision)
Full membership of the single market and the customs union, opt-outs from the Euro , borderless Schengen Zone not to mention home affairs policy, and a £4.9bn budget rebate. What other member state had that?Well we will have to agree to differ on how good our original deal was - although I see you are already preparing to layi the blame for the new deal at the feet of the previous government !
I do not think Starmer or Reeves are at all capable of representing Britain’s best interests. I don’t see it. Too weak.
@WATFORD zero
wishthegovernment is going to reverse Brexit one step at a time
The price dly be high, our terms will certainly be worse than those we had previously but that’s just the cost of doing business.
Only if you are bad at doing business.@WATFORD zero
The price will undoubtedly be high, our terms will certainly be worse than those we had previously but that’s just the cost of doing business.
I’m reasonably confident it’s going to happen
How good that will be for the country, only time will tell
Good way to pad your echo chamber.When updating our Freeview channels I used the opportunity to delete GBNews/TalkTV. Now I don’t even come across that trash by accident.
Good way to pad your echo chamber.
Anyone who pays even a passing interest in Weststander's post would recognise that this is a ridiculous accusation to level at him. I don't always agree with him but he is always balanced and logical.Good way to pad your echo chamber.
The important thing is we are talking and trying to regain a closer relationship with the EU.On Tuesday Keir Starmer insisted the UK would not sign up to any deal with the EU that involves “going back to the old rules.”
Concerning on so many levels. Apart from the fact that if he sticks to it then he won’t get anything at all from the EU he might as well pack up now…is it bravado or does he really think he’s in a position to dictate terms?
Most concerning is that he has come out yet again and given a statement which there is every chance he will have to walk back at some point in the future.
Fair enough but in some ways I’m more concerned with the politics of the statement than the subject.The important thing is we are talking and trying to regain a closer relationship with the EU.
When we inevitably rejoin we may be in a more positive relationship with our neighbours.
I have never met him but from reading his posts on here he is sound AF.Anyone who pays even a passing interest in Weststander's post would recognise that this is a ridiculous accusation to level at him. I don't always agree with him but he is always balanced and logical.
Listening to rational, balanced viewpoints, as I'm sure Weststander does, is the way to ensure you don't pad an echo chamber. For example listening to The Rest is Politics with Alistair Campbell and Rory Stewart.Good way to pad your echo chamber.
Without another referendum rejoin is a non starter and it needs to be more decisive than 52 48. Best way to face down Farage once and for all.I am very much for rejoining, but Labour have to be careful here, the sensible approach would be to call another referendum rather than just going head with rejoining in all but name.
Anything other than a referendum will add more momentum to reform
Gebeebies needs to have its licence revoked by Ofcom. They fail every test of impartiality, somehow the rules aren’t being applied to themListening to rational, balanced viewpoints, as I'm sure Weststander does, is the way to ensure you don't pad an echo chamber. For example listening to The Rest is Politics with Alistair Campbell and Rory Stewart.
Watching utter shyte like GBNews certainly does pad your echo chamber if you start believing the bollocks they spout