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[Politics] Brexit

If there was a second Brexit referendum how would you vote?


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Machiavelli

Well-known member
Oct 11, 2013
17,899
Fiveways
Spoke to my pro Brexit Dad earlier. He reckons if it had been Proportional Representation then Farage would be PM as they got more votes than Labour.

I told hom taht was simply untrue. A very quickly Google showed the figures and his defence was It was in the paper and I saw it online.

The indoctrination is frightening.

He was also annoyed that the news (GB?) said Starmer was rejoining the EU without a vote!
It's hardly new though is it. They've been at it at least since the 1980s and it's been one-way traffic. Bendy bananas. European superstate. Up Yours Delors. And so on.
 


Rdodge30

Well-known member
Dec 30, 2022
735
Who do you think is best placed to be negotiating?
Given a little more thought I do think that Lord Mandelson is the only Labour member with enough experience, knowledge and gravitas to lead negotiations, he is the very definition of a political heavyweight.

Apart from Yvette Cooper the Labour Party in the commons is extremely light on experience and/or competence, many would be out of their depth.

To be honest there really should be a Parliamentary department with a designated minister if the Prime Minister insists on going down this route, any negotiations with the EU will be hellish and hellish long, no place for a Prime Minister to be spending time at all.

Even a European Union negotiations committee, similar to the one Hillary Benn chaired could act as a second tier scrutiny panel along with something similar in the upper house, There is a House of Lords International Agreements Committee which has 3 Labour Peers on , former Attorney General Lord Goldsmith and Barrister Lord Anderson among them.

However I expect that everything will go through the Cabinet Office and the PM’s desk. Edit: (I expect this because it would be the wrong decision)
 
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Oct 8, 2003
56,610
Faversham
Given a little more thought I do think that Lord Mandelson is the only Labour member with enough experience, knowledge and gravitas to lead negotiations, he is the very definition of a political heavyweight.

Apart from Yvette Cooper the Labour Party in the commons is extremely light on experience and/or competence, many would be out of their depth.

To be honest there really should be a Parliamentary department with a designated minister if the Prime Minister insists on going down this route, any negotiations with the EU will be hellish and hellish long, no place for a Prime Minister to be spending time at all.

Even a European Union negotiations committee, similar to the one Hillary Benn chaired could act as a second tier scrutiny panel along with something similar in the upper house, There is a House of Lords International Agreements Committee which has 3 Labour Peers on , former Attorney General Lord Goldsmith and Barrister Lord Anderson among them.

However I expect that everything will go through the Cabinet Office and the PM’s desk.
I was right when I said you are on fire.
I think it was you.
Busy day.
 


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