[Politics] Brexit

[cunning fergus]

What makes you think that potential improvement in the US economy will improve the economic outlook for the UK?

The difference is that being in the EU means you are actually part of it and wedded to any success or failure. Hitching yourself to the wagon of the US means you are hoping to be thrown some crumbs from the table of an economy that really doesn't give two fucks about you. Trump is very clear that he is going to do what's best for America with tarrifs on foreign goods and the like, I struggle to see how this will benefit any other country aside from his own.

Fair question and let’s be clear, securing a deal will take top order statecraft from an establishment and political leadership that looks and behaves decidedly sub standard.

In macro trade terms we are small beer to the US, it’s the top tier exporters that Trump will target with tariffs, and that means China and Germany, but by extension that means the EU.

Here is the sweet spot for the U.K. to exploit, we keep far enough from the EU that we can secure a discrete US/U.K. trade agreement, all the indicators are that one will be on offer.

I don’t doubt there will elements of that which will make some shit the bed however that’s life, overall a free trade agreement with the US would be positive, not least a US performing well economically.

Otherwise we can stick 2 fingers up to Trump and economically speaking chain ourselves to a corpse.

 

[WATFORD zero]

In macro trade terms we are small beer to the US, it’s the top tier exporters that Trump will target with tariffs, and that means China and Germany, but by extension that means the EU.

Here is the sweet spot for the U.K. to exploit, we keep far enough from the EU that we can secure a discrete US/U.K. trade agreement, all the indicators are that one will be on offer.

I don’t doubt there will elements of that which will make some shit the bed however that’s life, overall a free trade agreement with the US would be positive, not least a US performing well economically.

 

[A1X]

Remember when those of us who said doing Brexit while not having a plan for it was a pretty daft idea were met with howls of derision and anger, including on this very thread?

Turns out that’s now the official stance of the Tory leader.

Badenoch: UK getting poorer and failing to compete on world stage

Tory leader says her party offered policies without plans while in government and politicians are not being honest with public

www.theguardian.com

 

[Chicken Run]

Remember when those of us who said doing Brexit while not having a plan for it was a pretty daft idea were met with howls of derision and anger, including on this very thread?

Turns out that’s now the official stance of the Tory leader.

Badenoch: UK getting poorer and failing to compete on world stage

Tory leader says her party offered policies without plans while in government and politicians are not being honest with public

www.theguardian.com

At last a Leader who speaks the truth

 

[Wozza]

“Brexit was a mistake.”

 

[Hugo Rune]

“Brexit was a mistake.”

It folk like this who have been hit hard enough in the pocket that the lack of rising bank balances now apes the shame of admitting that you were totally wrong.

It’s people like this who influence the cerebrally insignificant in our society and bring about another referendum that could see us rejoin the EU, turbo charge growth and the economy and not have a lower GDP than Poland by 2030!

It must surely be nearing on 70% - 30% to rejoin now.

 

[Motogull]

Tony Parsons. Why is he relevant? Seems to me that when he croaks there'll be the normal urgency to start a RIP thread that hardly anyone will give a toss about.

 

[Hugo Rune]

“Brexit was a mistake.”

Watching that again, I’m getting a lot of ‘plans for a retirement home in Spain ruined’ vibes!

 

[The Maharajah Of Hockley]

cerebrally insignificant

Two words that sum up the toxic social media influenced world we live in nowadays.

While people throw phrases like this about during political discussions, there'll never be reasoned, grown up, sensible political debate.

 

[WATFORD zero]

Want to be a 'winner' ? That'll be £100B a year please (Exactly as you were told at the time)

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...tatistics-numbers-five-years-eu-b2676692.html

I wonder how many more hundreds of billions we are going to waste on this idiocy while Britain suffers ?

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Remember when those of us who said doing Brexit while not having a plan for it was a pretty daft idea were met with howls of derision and anger, including on this very thread?

Turns out that’s now the official stance of the Tory leader.

Badenoch: UK getting poorer and failing to compete on world stage

Tory leader says her party offered policies without plans while in government and politicians are not being honest with public

www.theguardian.com

But she still thinks Brexit was a good idea.

It's like saying that the reason our operative died when jumping off a cliff with no parachute was because he had no plan.
Meanwhile she has basically labelled all her tory predecessors as idiots.

I'm beginning to think that Badenough has even less political nous than Corbyn.

 

[Wozza]

Tony Parsons. Why is he relevant? Seems to me that when he croaks there'll be the normal urgency to start a RIP thread that hardly anyone will give a toss about.

Old bloke goes on record to say he was wrong about Brexit.

In this case, doesn't matter if he's a celeb or not.

 

[dandanthebrightonfan]

 

[Chicken Run]

It folk like this who have been hit hard enough in the pocket that the lack of rising bank balances now apes the shame of admitting that you were totally wrong.

It’s people like this who influence the cerebrally insignificant in our society and bring about another referendum that could see us rejoin the EU, turbo charge growth and the economy and not have a lower GDP than Poland by 2030!

It must surely be nearing on 70% - 30% to rejoin now.

In the unlikely event at the next GE in 4.5 years the Conservatives said they would start the process to rejoin The EU and were the only party to have this in their manifesto would you vote for them?

 

[Hugo Rune]

In the unlikely event at the next GE in 4.5 years the Conservatives said they would start the process to rejoin The EU and were the only party to have this in their manifesto would you vote for them?

If they had moved to the centre and embraced One Nation Conservatism with someone like Rory Stewart at the helm. Then yes. 100%.

 

[WATFORD zero]

Remember when those of us who said doing Brexit while not having a plan for it was a pretty daft idea were met with howls of derision and anger, including on this very thread?

Turns out that’s now the official stance of the Tory leader.

At last a Leader who speaks the truth

But to put it in perspective, you thought Boris and Nige were telling the truth when they got you to vote for Brexit