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[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)



raymondo

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Apr 26, 2017
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The law of unintended consequences.

Watch Russia downplay North Korean involvement in the war, after it emerges that South Korea are considering getting involved.

I understand they have a lot of shells. A lot. The Miami Herald puts it at 3.4 million - one result of living next door to North Korea for 70 odd years.


But now South Korea MUST provide the shells... else it'll be more weakness (just words of condemnation)from the 'west' .
 




fly high

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The law of unintended consequences.

Watch Russia downplay North Korean involvement in the war, after it emerges that South Korea are considering getting involved.

I understand they have a lot of shells. A lot. The Miami Herald puts it at 3.4 million - one result of living next door to North Korea for 70 odd years.


Hopefully that is where our recently announced £2.5b will be spent. I'm sure US will be against it as they'd see it as an escalation but we cannot continue to fail to match Putin's actions who seems to be able to buy weapons from whoever he pleases plus import soldiers from anywhere.
 


Triggaaar

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Oct 24, 2005
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The sheer, utter, twisted, self-righteousness of Russia.

TLDR: This bloke is Ukrainian, lives in occupied Crimea, and is obliged to hold a Russian passport. He refuses to fight against his own country, so is charged and convicted of treason against Russia. Sentence: 18 years.


He should have agreed to fight, and either shot Russians or defected etc
 


Eric the meek

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Aug 24, 2020
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He should have agreed to fight, and either shot Russians or defected etc
He did try to defect. But whatever he had decided, agree to fight, refuse to fight, kill Russians or desert/defect (to unoccupied Ukraine), it would have been a decision that required very careful thought. All of them, including the one he took, desertion, could result in his death.
 








Eric the meek

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An un-brainwashed brain... a very very rare thing over there. People like this bright chap probably represent no more than 2% of the population depressingly.
(that is a total 'finger-in-air' guess of course – based on the 100 odd Russian public interviews I've seen).
I understand. Those pubic interviews are as good a source as anything else we have at our disposal.

In the absence of any official data we can trust, 'finger-in-the-air' is all we have left to fall back on.

I have no idea whether 2% is realistic, but the young man in the video seemed erudite, educated and well-informed. Not what you would expect anywhere in Russia, but some must exist, so why not 2%? 1 in 50. If it turns out there are more, then it will be a bonus.
 






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A1X

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I hope Steve Rosenberg is careful. Asking Putin difficult questions must be risky


BBC News - Vladimir Putin: Watch Steve Rosenberg challenge Russian president over Ukraine war - BBC News
People like to attack the BBC but this shows the kudos it has at an international level that even a tyrant like Putin knows he can’t really touch them and their man in Moscow. There’s a reason why those who don’t give a shit about maintaining a pretence of democratic accountability (Iran, North Korea, Mugabe’s Zimbabwe) just banned them and saved themselves the bother.
 






raymondo

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Apr 26, 2017
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Duolingo on all the phones (,if North Koreans have them) and they're sorted.
I bet the interpreters are pissed off if they have to go into the front lines.
Sorry to say it (nah, I'm not sorry)...but hoping for lots of dead invaders very soon. Maybe they'll start surrendering once they realise the little drones chasing them carry explosives.
 


Eric the meek

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Duolingo on all the phones (,if North Koreans have them) and they're sorted.
I bet the interpreters are pissed off if they have to go into the front lines.
Sorry to say it (nah, I'm not sorry)...but hoping for lots of dead invaders very soon. Maybe they'll start surrendering once they realise the little drones chasing them carry explosives.
There's a real possibility, or perhaps a likelihood, that they weren't told a) what their role would be and b) what life would be like on the front line meeting the Ukrainians.
 


raymondo

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There's a real possibility, or perhaps a likelihood, that they weren't told a) what their role would be and b) what life would be like on the front line meeting the Ukrainians.
Yes, most likely. I wonder if the Russians have permission to shoot them if they retreat from the grinder?
 






Moshe Gariani

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Mar 10, 2005
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I hope Steve Rosenberg is careful. Asking Putin difficult questions must be risky


BBC News - Vladimir Putin: Watch Steve Rosenberg challenge Russian president over Ukraine war - BBC News
Big coincidence to see this today after yesterday evening being at the Petworth Literary Festival to hear John Sweeney talk about his book "Murder In The Gulag: The Life & Death of Alexei Navalny". He àrgued that BBC journalists should not be in Russia, in order to be able to properly denounce Putin. He referenced Rosenberg specifically being held by the balls due to his position.
 


Eric the meek

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Big coincidence to see this today after yesterday evening being at the Petworth Literary Festival to hear John Sweeney talk about his book "Murder In The Gulag: The Life & Death of Alexei Navalny". He àrgued that BBC journalists should not be in Russia, in order to be able to properly denounce Putin. He referenced Rosenberg specifically being held by the balls due to his position.
I think he's got a point.

I think it was John Sweeney who, early in the war, observed that Russia has effectively been at war with the west for over 20 years. He said it was just that the west hadn't noticed. Well, they have now !
 


raymondo

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Apr 26, 2017
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Big coincidence to see this today after yesterday evening being at the Petworth Literary Festival to hear John Sweeney talk about his book "Murder In The Gulag: The Life & Death of Alexei Navalny". He àrgued that BBC journalists should not be in Russia, in order to be able to properly denounce Putin. He referenced Rosenberg specifically being held by the balls due to his position.
He does have a point... Rosenberg's question allowed Putin to hold court for 5 minutes of blah.
However, all attendees heard Rosenberg's pointed questions.
I dunno really....good point though.
 








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