crookie
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Hope Biden speeds up delivery of the last aid package before Trump becomes President and pulls the plug on support
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[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)
- Thread starter vegster
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Not just Ukraine either.Looking like a bad result for Ukraine in US election (I'm trying to stay calm...).
I hope Europe has been working on a good plan B
Georgia will follow. Moldova not long after. If NATO falls (not unrealistic) then the Baltic states will be next in his sights.
I think Trump will offer Zelenskyy a ‘deal’.
He’ll want occupied lands conceded to his friend Putin in return for peace. Military aid will be a thing of the past, I just hope Trump has some sort of conscience and would replace the guns with support for Ukraine’s infrastructure and economy.
- Aug 24, 2020
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We all need to process the result.Looking like a bad result for Ukraine in US election (I'm trying to stay calm...).
I hope Europe has been working on a good plan B
Given the result, and the need for the EU to step up, I wish with all my heart that Britain were still at that EU table.
We need to be in those meetings.
- Aug 24, 2020
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Military support being pulled from Ukraine is a given. But I'm concerned now that the Russian Federation won't now collapse. Putin will want sanctions lifted as part of any deal.
Don't give Putin a lifeline. Don't.
Don't give Putin a lifeline. Don't.
Sure, I think he will.
Then Russia will re-arm and invade Georgia, Moldova, Baltics (as @A1X has suggested)...and thousands more will die.
The Ukrainian men in occupied areas will be conscripted into the Russian army at gunpoint - it won't stop, Trump is a Putin puppet.
I would hope that Zelenskyy just calmly tells Trump that he can't do a deal, because the people in those lands would be prisoners without rights for life, and Putin would soon come for the rest. Ukraine will keep fighting.
Absolutely, major concern. Europe MUST go against Trump as needed.
fly high
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Ukraine says it fought N Korean troops for first time
Defence Minister Rustem Umerov said a "small group" of North Korean soldiers were attacked.
www.bbc.co.uk
No concrete evidence yet but Ukraine claiming they have been in fight with NK fighters. At the moment the West & SK are in denial.
Our "special relationship" needs to be 100% with the EU , and not with the US.
Yes, far easier for the west to pretend it's not happening at the moment.Ukraine says it fought N Korean troops for first time
Defence Minister Rustem Umerov said a "small group" of North Korean soldiers were attacked.www.bbc.co.uk
No concrete evidence yet but Ukraine claiming they have been in fight with NK fighters. At the moment the West & SK are in denial.
Will be embarrassing for SK (join the club)if they don't back up their words with some concrete action.
That was always the case. If you don't like the club rules, you can lobby for change, but only from within. Having told the rest of Europe to go and do one, we have about as much influence in Europe as I have over BHA team selection.
fly high
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Not for this thread.
It's my fault! @Binney on acid was responding to my post that I should probably have put on the election thread.
aolstudios
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Indeed he is.
See also, Farage, Banks, Assange & several around the beardy left
Europe is as likely to "go" against Trump as it is against Putin.
The Clamp
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Ukraine will never do a deal.
The rest of the sane world will up their efforts and fill the void left by the U.S.
Trump will stop all aid and arms, blame Ukraine and call them warmongers, them forget all about the situation in Europe.
If Ukraine concedes territory Putin will march his armies of darkness across Europe.
By not backing down Zelenskyy is protecting Europe and well as his own people.
I don’t think Trumps’ input into the war is of much consequence either way, tbh.
The rest of the sane world will up their efforts and fill the void left by the U.S.
Trump will stop all aid and arms, blame Ukraine and call them warmongers, them forget all about the situation in Europe.
If Ukraine concedes territory Putin will march his armies of darkness across Europe.
By not backing down Zelenskyy is protecting Europe and well as his own people.
I don’t think Trumps’ input into the war is of much consequence either way, tbh.
America's financial contribution towards NATO is.
aolstudios
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Sadly true