[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)

[Eric the meek]

If all that stuff is right then we are all f***ed.

I would definitely want to see the next few videos he plans - the ones that discuss how the Russians see the world, how they influence the world and how they would steer American policy to serve their own interests. I'm not necessarily talking about what has already happened, but rather what we might expect in the next part of the Trump presidency.

One thing I would imagine is high on their agenda, is to divide the new unity of Europe behind Ukraine. They may not have been expecting that to have happened.

 

[raymondo]

The reality right now is Zelenskyy is polling around 45%, more than double second place, Former military commander in chief and now UK ambassador Zaluzhny on 21% and he's even more hardline anti Russian than Zelenskyy, he said last week that Trump is destroying the rules based order! Then ex president Poroshenko who US spoke to is mid teens around 15% and ex PM Tymoshenko who Trump team also spoke to is about 6%.

Zelenskyy is miles ahead and next best is more anti Russian so this US plan is doomed to fail.

Edit: The US knows Ukraine constitution, opposition have already said no vote in wartime, so for US to still mention it, looks like setting up excuses to withdraw US support rather than reality based?

Don't worry, President Musk will have a poll of his followers to clarify reality for the world.

 

[raymondo]

I don’t think it’s that hard to bat that aside:

“We can’t hold elections until the war is over”

“End the war then”

“We can’t do that until Putin stops invading us”

Eventually, Trump will give up, blame it all on Zelenskyy and start looking for a new victim. Then Europe can get on with the serious business.

Hope you're right. My worry is that Trump has nailed his colours to the mast on Ukraine more than any of his other projects.

 

[Eric the meek]

I still have to pinch myself that this is really happening.

 

[Scappa]

Britain is world’s biggest ‘warmonger’, says Russia

Britain is the world’s biggest “warmonger”, Russia’s foreign intelligence service claimed, accusing the UK of sabotaging US efforts to secure peace in Ukraine.

...adding that Britain was also to blame for starting the Second World War.

Ukraine-Russia war latest: Kyiv weapons ban could be lifted tomorrow, says US

The American ban on sending weapons and intelligence to Ukraine could be lifted tomorrow if crunch talks in Saudi Arabia go well, secretary of state Marco Rubio said.

www.telegraph.co.uk

To borrow from Elon Muskovite's vernacular: "go f*** yourself in the face"

 

[marlowe]

really Interesting article and perspective, on french paywalled Le Figaro, link below should be unpaywalled.

Nate Vance, JD's cousin has fought as a volunteer on the front lines in Ukraine for 2 1/2 years. His opinion of what JD is doing and has done is a great insight.

https://archive.ph/cIX3d

I've just heard him interviewed on Radio 4. Seems really level headed. He's a lifelong Republican but disagrees with what this administration is doing re Ukraine.

He was asked who he voted for but he wasn't able to vote because of being in Ukraine. He didn't say who he would have voted for.

He stopped fighting on the front line when JD became VP as he didn't want to become a target and also put his colleagues around him in danger as a result.

 

[Triggaaar]

...adding that Britain was also to blame for starting the Second World War.

So when Russia invaded Poland, it was our fault?

 

[SouthSaxon]

Britain is world’s biggest ‘warmonger’, says Russia

Britain is the world’s biggest “warmonger”, Russia’s foreign intelligence service claimed, accusing the UK of sabotaging US efforts to secure peace in Ukraine.

...adding that Britain was also to blame for starting the Second World War.

Ukraine-Russia war latest: Kyiv weapons ban could be lifted tomorrow, says US

The American ban on sending weapons and intelligence to Ukraine could be lifted tomorrow if crunch talks in Saudi Arabia go well, secretary of state Marco Rubio said.

www.telegraph.co.uk

To borrow from Elon Muskovite's vernacular: "go f*** yourself in the face"

Quote from that link, clear proof they’ve been infiltrated by the Croydon mafia.

It is time to expose them and send a clear signal to the treacherous Albion and its elites: you will not succeed,

But yeah, they can stick it up their Molotov-Ribbentrop.

 

[peterward]

Britain is world’s biggest ‘warmonger’, says Russia

Britain is the world’s biggest “warmonger”, Russia’s foreign intelligence service claimed, accusing the UK of sabotaging US efforts to secure peace in Ukraine.

...adding that Britain was also to blame for starting the Second World War.

Ukraine-Russia war latest: Kyiv weapons ban could be lifted tomorrow, says US

The American ban on sending weapons and intelligence to Ukraine could be lifted tomorrow if crunch talks in Saudi Arabia go well, secretary of state Marco Rubio said.

www.telegraph.co.uk

To borrow from Elon Muskovite's vernacular: "go f*** yourself in the face"

For starting the 2nd world war, after their Molotov Ribbentrop Nazi partners and them invaded Poland?

 

[Triggaaar]

I know you're quite worried about Russia winning @cunning fergus , so this should cheer you up:

 

[Scappa]

For starting the 2nd world war, after their Molotov Ribbentrop Nazi partners and them invaded Poland?

Well yes. In their strange, twisted version of history The Great Patriotic War didn't start until June 1941 and the start of Operation Barbarossa

 

[SouthSaxon]

Talks in Paris tomorrow between over 30 nations military leaders about an international security force.

Not only is it not led by the USA, they’ve not even been invited. That’s quite something.

Zelenskyy arrives in Saudi as Ukraine expected to push for air and sea ceasefire during US talks – Europe live

Ukrainian president will be holding talks with Mohammed bin Salman

www.theguardian.com

 

[raymondo]

I still have to pinch myself that this is really happening.

Sadly it seems to be the reality - yes, hard to process. European leaders and Zelenskiy will find it very hard.
So Trump will always support the other dictator against the smaller guy because it's easier , and if anyone argues he'll say "you're playing with WW3 !!!" very shouty.
So, if you have nukes (or Trump has investments in your country, or that country buys lots of your meme coins)....you can do what you want . Cue, everyone get some nukes.
Effing nightmare.

 

[SouthSaxon]

Well yes. In their strange, twisted version of history The Great Patriotic War didn't start until June 1941 and the start of Operation Barbarossa

Perhaps they feel Churchill didn’t warn them enough that Hitler was about to break the pact?

 

[Bodian]

He keeps moving goalposts, and I think its pretty self evident, He's setting Ukraine up to accept either a capitulation deal and put a new puppet in Kyiv, or to try and frame the failure of any "peace" as down to an obstinate Zelenskyy.

He's compromised.

I think the bit in yellow is what this all about from Trump's side.

I still have to pinch myself that this is really happening.

All the concessions to bring about peace seem to be being demanded from Ukraine. Has Trump or the US said anything whatsoever about any concessions of any nature from Russia?? Seemingly not.....

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

Britain is world’s biggest ‘warmonger’, says Russia

Britain is the world’s biggest “warmonger”, Russia’s foreign intelligence service claimed, accusing the UK of sabotaging US efforts to secure peace in Ukraine.

...adding that Britain was also to blame for starting the Second World War.

Ukraine-Russia war latest: Kyiv weapons ban could be lifted tomorrow, says US

The American ban on sending weapons and intelligence to Ukraine could be lifted tomorrow if crunch talks in Saudi Arabia go well, secretary of state Marco Rubio said.

www.telegraph.co.uk

To borrow from Elon Muskovite's vernacular: "go f*** yourself in the face"

Old Putin is worried is it he? The more stuff like this comes out the weaker his position.

 

[fly high]

Old Putin is worried is it he? The more stuff like this comes out the weaker his position.

Exactly what I was thinking. He starts slaggish off when he feels threatened.

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

Sadly it seems to be the reality - yes, hard to process. European leaders and Zelenskiy will find it very hard.
So Trump will always support the other dictator against the smaller guy because it's easier , and if anyone argues he'll say "you're playing with WW3 !!!" very shouty.
So, if you have nukes (or Trump has investments in your country, or that country buys lots of your meme coins)....you can do what you want . Cue, everyone get some nukes.
Effing nightmare.

It’s not if you think about It.
This is trumps 101 for corporate fuckery when taking over a company . He just hits them with mixed messages and threats of destroying a company through sneaky tactics unless they sell to him. It doesn’t work for countries.

This is all about intimidation but how can you intimidate a country that has been holding its own for the last three years, a country that is going to receive a massive boost in military kit from a united Europe. They know Trump wants resources and that peace isn’t the aim. Zelensky knows this and also knows that the world despises trump and will want him to be strong. Let’s face it there are 800billion euros worth of reasons to tell the US to go forth.

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

Exactly what I was thinking. He starts slaggish off when he feels threatened.

After last weeks failed breakout he is in a very bad way …

 

[GoldstoneVintage]

Britain is world’s biggest ‘warmonger’, says Russia

Britain is the world’s biggest “warmonger”, Russia’s foreign intelligence service claimed, accusing the UK of sabotaging US efforts to secure peace in Ukraine.

...adding that Britain was also to blame for starting the Second World War.

Ukraine-Russia war latest: Kyiv weapons ban could be lifted tomorrow, says US

The American ban on sending weapons and intelligence to Ukraine could be lifted tomorrow if crunch talks in Saudi Arabia go well, secretary of state Marco Rubio said.

www.telegraph.co.uk

To borrow from Elon Muskovite's vernacular: "go f*** yourself in the face"

War is peace, weakness is strength, lies are truth. These are truly Orwellian times we live in.