[Politics] Protests/rioting in lots of places

Zeberdi · Oct 16, 2024

Machiavelli said:
Well, surprise, surprise. Dontcha just love the tech bros:

Revealed: International ‘race science’ network secretly funded by US tech boss

Group promoting ‘dangerous’ scientific racism ideology teamed up with rightwing extremist, recordings reveal

www.theguardian.com

I found that a chilling read.

In particular the involvement of Michael Frost, an ex-private school teacher from London.

Who would have thought 90 years after Hitler developed Nazi racial ideology as a justification to murder 17 million people including 6 million Jews (excluding those who died in conflict or from disease or famine) that eugenics would again raise it’s ugly head and in Germany no less. Except it isn’t called ‘Nazi Ideology’ but ‘Scientific racism’ which is being used to shore up policy proposals from the far right extremists to expel migrants.

Victims of the Nazi Era: Nazi Racial Ideology

The Nazis carried out genocide against Europe’s Jews and persecuted and murdered other groups based on racial theories. Learn about the history of these murderous ideas.

encyclopedia.ushmm.org

To be televised on 21 October - probably worth a watch

Undercover: Exposing the Far Right

Undercover is an explosive new documentary that reveals the threat the far right poses to our society. For the first time ever, HOPE not hate, the UK’s leading anti-extremist organisation, has allowed cameras to follow its team of investigators as they go undercover to expose the new extremists.

www.undercover.film

hans kraay fan club · Oct 17, 2024

oops.

31 months behind bars, for the Tory Councillor's wife who wanted the asylum hotels burned down...

MSN

nickbrighton · Oct 17, 2024

I believe the cases being sentenced up to now have been for those who have pled guilty, those who have pled not guilty must be looking at some of these sentences with a fair bit of trepidation

Weststander · Oct 17, 2024

hans kraay fan club said:
oops.

31 months behind bars, for the Tory Councillor's wife who wanted the asylum hotels burned down...

MSN

A childminder. De-registered, shirley the end of that career.

vegster · Oct 17, 2024

Weststander said:
A childminder. De-registered, shirley the end of that career.

Its kind of sad in a way, we all feel like lashing out verbally from time to time about all sorts of things but, consigning ones darkest thoughts to a public platform is a pretty stupid thing to do. A bit like the stigma that moron feels when he had a pee on a war memorial, this stain will never go away, excuse the pun.

However, adding " If this makes me a racist, then so be it " was utterly insane.

aolstudios · Oct 17, 2024

vegster said:
Its kind of sad in a way, we all feel like lashing out verbally from time to time about all sorts of things but, consigning ones darkest thoughts to a public platform is a pretty stupid thing to do. A bit like the stigma that moron feels when he had a pee on a war memorial, this stain will never go away, excuse the pun.

However, adding " If this makes me a racist, then so be it " was utterly insane.

It's who she is.
Diddums

Comrade Sam · Oct 17, 2024

Stop Tommy Robinson, stop the far right – Saturday 26 October

Download Poster Download Leaflet Download Leaflet - Add Local Transport Details NATIONAL DEMO – Fascist Tommy Robinson and his far right mates are coming

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Harry Wilson's tackle · Oct 17, 2024

aolstudios said:
It's who she is.
Diddums

Indeed.

The storm of internet insurrection simply smoked out a load of shitler ****s in one go.

Highly Darwinian.

Harry Wilson's tackle · Oct 17, 2024

Comrade Sam said:
Stop Tommy Robinson, stop the far right – Saturday 26 October

Download Poster Download Leaflet Download Leaflet - Add Local Transport Details NATIONAL DEMO – Fascist Tommy Robinson and his far right mates are coming

standuptoracism.org.uk

Not sure the answer to a rabble rousing arse-head is to mount a Special March.

Let's see who is on the bill....

Mmmmm....The Mick Lynch who urged his supporters to vote for a fringe party risking a tory election victory? And old Dianne Abbot who we try to not criticize because her mind is no longer working properly and she doesn't really know what she's saying?

I'm out. Sorry.

Let Robinson destroy himself, as he does by degree, every time he opens his mouth.

Weststander · Oct 17, 2024

vegster said:
Its kind of sad in a way, we all feel like lashing out verbally from time to time about all sorts of things but, consigning ones darkest thoughts to a public platform is a pretty stupid thing to do. A bit like the stigma that moron feels when he had a pee on a war memorial, this stain will never go away, excuse the pun.

However, adding " If this makes me a racist, then so be it " was utterly insane.

The silver lining from this, probably that in this country at least people will think twice before typing extreme, provocative stuff.

Zeberdi · Oct 17, 2024

vegster said:
Its kind of sad in a way, we all feel like lashing out verbally from time to time about all sorts of things but, consigning ones darkest thoughts to a public platform is a pretty stupid thing to do. A bit like the stigma that moron feels when he had a pee on a war memorial, this stain will never go away, excuse the pun.

However, adding " If this makes me a racist, then so be it " was utterly insane.

Are you suggesting her ‘crime was getting caught’ and she should have been sensible and kept her feelings to herself?

The despicable thing about this woman wasn’t that she posted her ‘darkest thoughts’ online but she has those thoughts to begin with. That the wife of a Tory Councillor’s reaction to events was to think asylum seekers should be burned alive beggars belief frankly.

There’s a difference in ‘lashing out in anger’ (which I admit to having have done with bad language/expletives when really pissed off with something then come to regret it) and posting extremely racist content with the foresight to say you are going to ‘play the mental health card if arrested’ and then engaging with Tommy Robinson online on another occasion.

The woman is a despicable racist and people with her views should be flushed out for what they are.

Even if you harbour such views but don’t post them online, you are still a racist.

Harry Wilson's tackle · Oct 17, 2024

Zeberdi said:
Are you suggesting her ‘crime was getting caught’ and she should have been sensible and kept her feelings to herself?

The despicable thing about this woman wasn’t that she posted her ‘darkest thoughts’ online but she has those thoughts to begin with.

There’s a difference in ‘lashing out in anger’ (which I admit to having have done with bad language/expletives when really pissed off with something then come to regret it) and posting extremely racist content with the foresight to say you are going to ‘play the mental health card if arrested’ and then engaging with Tommy Robinson online on another occasion.

The woman is a despicable racist and people with her views should be flushed out for what they are.

Even if you harbour such views but don’t post them online, you are still a racist.

I don't think that was @vegster 's narrative at all. He absolutely is not suggesting her crime was getting caught.

Comrade Sam · Oct 17, 2024

Harry Wilson's tackle said:
Not sure the answer to a rabble rousing arse-head is to mount a Special March.

Let's see who is on the bill....

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Mmmmm....The Mick Lynch who urged his supporters to vote for a fringe party risking a tory election victory? And old Dianne Abbot who we try to not criticize because her mind is no longer working properly and she doesn't really know what she's saying?

I'm out. Sorry.

Let Robinson destroy himself, as he does by degree, every time he opens his mouth.

It seems quite clear that both the last time Tommy Robinson held a large rally in central London, it was followed by the eruption of racist violence around the country. Also that the violence stopped once people took to the streets to confront them. You can use Diane Abbott as an excuse to do nothing if it makes you feel better. But fascism has never been stopped by doing nothing. Remember Cable Street and Rock Against Racism.

Harry Wilson's tackle · Oct 17, 2024

Comrade Sam said:
It seems quite clear that both the last time Tommy Robinson held a large rally in central London, it was followed by the eruption of racist violence around the country. Also that the violence stopped once people took to the streets to confront them. You can use Diane Abbott as an excuse to do nothing if it makes you feel better. But fascism has never been stopped by doing nothing. Remember Cable Street and Rock Against Racism.

If Tommy Robinson is planning another outrage on the streets then by all means have a counter rally on the day.

But this is the sound of one hand clapping is it not? Unless I am blind I didn't see this billed as a counter rally. Apologies if I'm mistaken.

vegster · Oct 17, 2024

Zeberdi said:
Are you suggesting her ‘crime was getting caught’ and she should have been sensible and kept her feelings to herself?

The despicable thing about this woman wasn’t that she posted her ‘darkest thoughts’ online but she has those thoughts to begin with. That the wife of a Tory Councillor’s reaction to events was to think asylum seekers should be burned alive beggars belief frankly.

There’s a difference in ‘lashing out in anger’ (which I admit to having have done with bad language/expletives when really pissed off with something then come to regret it) and posting extremely racist content with the foresight to say you are going to ‘play the mental health card if arrested’ and then engaging with Tommy Robinson online on another occasion.

The woman is a despicable racist and people with her views should be flushed out for what they are.

Even if you harbour such views but don’t post them online, you are still a

Zeberdi said:
Are you suggesting her ‘crime was getting caught’ and she should have been sensible and kept her feelings to herself?

The despicable thing about this woman wasn’t that she posted her ‘darkest thoughts’ online but she has those thoughts to begin with. That the wife of a Tory Councillor’s reaction to events was to think asylum seekers should be burned alive beggars belief frankly.

There’s a difference in ‘lashing out in anger’ (which I admit to having have done with bad language/expletives when really pissed off with something then come to regret it) and posting extremely racist content with the foresight to say you are going to ‘play the mental health card if arrested’ and then engaging with Tommy Robinson online on another occasion.

The woman is a despicable racist and people with her views should be flushed out for what they are.

Even if you harbour such views but don’t post them online, you are still a racist.

I'm suggesting that the Internet never forgives or forgets. 30 years ago she could have said what she said to a couple of mums outside school or pals in a pub what she posted online and it would have gone no further and she might well have thought better a day later.

Or, even had a visit from the plod asking her to think before opening her mouth. Now its posted up and undeniable. Yes, horrible, hateful thing to say but we are all individuals. Had she thought it
,not typed it, she might have privately regretted it and no one but her would have known.

.

Zeberdi · Oct 17, 2024

vegster said:
I'm suggesting that the Internet never forgives or forgets. 30 years ago she could have said what she said to a couple of mums outside school or pals in a pub what she posted online and it would have gone no further and she might well have thought better a day later.

Or, even had a visit from the plod asking her to think before opening her mouth. Now its posted up and undeniable. Yes, horrible, hateful thing to say but we are all individuals. Had she thought it
,not typed it, she might have privately regretted it and no one but her would have known.

.

I understood that was what you were saying and of course it is harder to back track when you have made your views public, I wasn’t attacking you but it seems like you are suggesting that her posting on the internet was the issue and if she had not done so, that would have been ok.

She has made no attempt to apologise - she subsequently said ‘so what if people think I’m a racist, ‘so be it’ - she had the objective foresight (in a moment of apparent passion) to declare that she would “play the mental health card’.

I’m saying it is not ok to be a racist period and saying that “we are all individual’ sounds like an apologist view to me for someone who holds such views - she typed what she thought. As @aolstudios said, ‘ it is what she is’

I don’t care whether someone floods their facebook page with racist comments or just utters it in conversation to a few of his/her mates - they are still deeply offensive and wholly unacceptable views to hold and should be called out as such with no reservation or qualification imo.

That said, I agree that the impact of racist views are more dangerous when posted on social media/uttered on a public platform and rightly should attract the full force of the law,

Eric the meek · Oct 17, 2024

Comrade Sam said:
It seems quite clear that both the last time Tommy Robinson held a large rally in central London, it was followed by the eruption of racist violence around the country. Also that the violence stopped once people took to the streets to confront them. You can use Diane Abbott as an excuse to do nothing if it makes you feel better. But fascism has never been stopped by doing nothing. Remember Cable Street and Rock Against Racism.

You are right. But whatever action you take, please do it with eyes wide open. Be aware of the duplicity of the Farages and Tommy Robinsons of British politics, and the Euro equivalents across the channel.

Having been on the Russia-Ukraine war thread for longer than Lucy Connolly will be in jail, I have to tell you that a big supporter - and funder - of fascism across Europe, is sitting in the Kremlin.

Western intelligence has found a Russian backed, Czech based fund that funnels money into right-wing parties across at least five EU countries. This is no conspiracy theory. It featured in the Wall Street Journal.

Farage has his own section in the book 'Vatnik Soup', a study in Russian disinformation.

Elsewhere, Russia has weaponised immigration, and encourages migrants across the Finnish and Polish borders with the intention of destabilising those governments.

I'm not saying things would be OK if Putin were not a conniving ****, but we all should be aware of the bigger geopolitical picture. A lot of what we are angry about, is orchestrated, planned, pre-meditated and funded by Moscow.

Comrade Sam · Oct 17, 2024

Harry Wilson's tackle said:
If Tommy Robinson is planning another outrage on the streets then by all means have a counter rally on the day.

But this is the sound of one hand clapping is it not? Unless I am blind I didn't see this billed as a counter rally. Apologies if I'm mistaken.

Unfortunately he is planning something. Hopefully he'll be intercepted by the Met.

Comrade Sam · Oct 17, 2024

Eric the meek said:
You are right. But whatever action you take, please do it with eyes wide open. Be aware of the duplicity of the Farages and Tommy Robinsons of British politics, and the Euro equivalents across the channel.

Having been on the Russia-Ukraine war thread for longer than Lucy Connolly will be in jail, I have to tell you that a big supporter - and funder - of fascism across Europe, is sitting in the Kremlin.

Western intelligence has found a Russian backed, Czech based fund that funnels money into right-wing parties across at least five EU countries. This is no conspiracy theory. It featured in the Wall Street Journal.

Farage has his own section in the book 'Vatnik Soup', a study in Russian disinformation.

Elsewhere, Russia has weaponised immigration, and encourages migrants across the Finnish and Polish borders with the intention of destabilising those governments.

I'm not saying things would be OK if Putin were not a conniving ****, but we all should be aware of the bigger geopolitical picture. A lot of what we are angry about, is orchestrated, planned, pre-meditated and funded by Moscow.

Strangely major supporters of the international far right are Zionists and vice versa. What a f***ed up world we're living in.

Machiavelli · Oct 17, 2024

Harry Wilson's tackle said:
If Tommy Robinson is planning another outrage on the streets then by all means have a counter rally on the day.

But this is the sound of one hand clapping is it not? Unless I am blind I didn't see this billed as a counter rally. Apologies if I'm mistaken.

Tommy Robinson’s book went to No 1 on Amazon. This is what I learned from the reviews | Zoe Williams

The far-right activist’s Manifesto briefly topped the website’s chart. It is gone now, but the comments make for worrying reading, writes Zoe Williams

www.theguardian.com

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