[Politics] Protests/rioting in lots of places

[Jackthelad]

what actual material difference does it make if the attack was some islamic inspired terrorism or the actions of a madman?

Because it’s important to know if we can stop these style attacks and has an ideology helped create it. We have a growing far right online movement we also have an extremely dangerous Islamist problem throughout Europe and UK.

 

[The Clamp]

what actual material difference does it make if the attack was some islamic inspired terrorism or the actions of a madman?

I think understanding motive is helpful in tacking these sort of crimes.

I mean, you’re right in that it makes little odds now in this particular case but it helps with the bigger picture.

 

[Ike and Tina Burner]

Just going to repost my post from the Tommy Robinson thread

"He had a pdf downloaded of training for terrorist attacks that was created by Al Quaeda, that doesn't mean he's part of Al Quaeda.

If he had a copy of the anarchists cookbook to make bombs, would that make him a Marxist? Or if he had an IRA bomb making instructional document would that make him an Irish Nationalist?

It could be that he had the document simply because it contained the information he needed, hence why the stabbing still isn't being treated as a terrorist attack, and the killer is being charged with possession of terrorist material."

There is zero evidence this was an Islamic terrorist attack, or that he had converted to Islam.

"This had nothing to do with Islam, you're just a bigot"
"Okay he may have possessed Islamic terrorist material but that doesn't make him a Muslim terrorist" <<<<<<<We are here
"Okay, this was an Islamic terrorist attack but he wasn't actually a proper Muslim because they don't believe in violence"
"What terrorist attack? I don't know what you're talking about. Something something the threat from the far right"

 

[cunning fergus]

what actual material difference does it make if the attack was some islamic inspired terrorism or the actions of a madman?

Well, just imagine following the random stabbing of 11 people in Southport you posted something on social media about more Islamic terrorism and then you were subsequently charged by your local police with inciting violence etc.

If you pleaded guilty to get a softer sentence you might be smarting having been convicted of 2 years in the chokey for that offence. If however you decided to plead your case before a jury because you thought such a charge was disproportionate then this development absolutely represents a material difference.

The optics of the position are not good are they, and this sadly is another nail in the coffin for the public to trust the institutions that run the country, and that includes old TTFG Keir. Even the timing of this development becoming public feels suss.

They learned absolutely nothing from the Post Office fiasco did they……….

 

[beorhthelm]

Well, just imagine following the random stabbing of 11 people in Southport you posted something on social media about more Islamic terrorism and then you were subsequently charged by your local police with inciting violence etc.

If you pleaded guilty to get a softer sentence you might be smarting having been convicted of 2 years in the chokey for that offence. If however you decided to plead your case before a jury because you thought such a charge was disproportionate then this development absolutely represents a material difference.

The optics of the position are not good are they, and this sadly is another nail in the coffin for the public to trust the institutions that run the country, and that includes old TTFG Keir. Even the timing of this development becoming public feels suss.

They learned absolutely nothing from the Post Office fiasco did they……….

charge of inciting violence might change depending on why you incited violence, if you're half right it's ok to do so? i see that's where this is going, and it's utter bollocks.

 

[Weststander]

It’ll all come out in the wash (court case). Patience.

If the police/cps did take an unusual step in playing things down at the time in terms of not releasing facts they might normally have done, that wouldn’t done any harm.

Rioters wouldn’t rioted less violently. Farage would’ve had a field day agitating further.