[Politics] Protests/rioting in lots of places

[AstroSloth]

Could this mean that the BBC may not actually fact check their news articles after all ?

Southport: Three more men jailed for violent disorder

They admit taking part in a disturbance near Southport mosque after three girls were fatally stabbed.

www.bbc.co.uk

"The violence was started by false online rumours that the suspect in the Southport attack was a Muslim."

Prove he's a Muslim?

We know he was a Christian choir boy previously, but the only evidence he may have anything to do with Islam is him possessing a pamphlet created by Al Quaeda.

I own a copy of The Communist Manifesto, doesn't automatically make me a Marxist (I'm not one anyway).

 

[Jackthelad]

Where do you get the idea from that he is a Muslim?

MSM widely reported that he was a ‘quiet and introverted ‘choir boy’‘ living with his parents who were ’heavily’ involved in the local Church.

The BBC are correct in stating that the riots were started by false rumours on social media that Axel Rudabukana was a muslim immigrant.


Can people actually stop posting false information - isn’t X bad enough without NSC adding to the mountains of rumours

That’s one article

How much of that is true. It seems highly unlikely.

Rightly or wrongly the reporting on one of the most evil acts this nation has seen has been very iffy to say the least.

The “ good Christian” story sounds utterly ridiculous. Maybe when he was a younger they mean.

He has Islamist material. What time frame are we talking about as well. When was he active in his church and was that a tactic to hide his true Islamist ideology. We will have to see what we get told in the coming months and (if we actually get told the truth)

 

[carlzeiss]

Southport suspect Axel Rudakubana refuses to speak in court over murder, ricin and terror charges

Southport stabbing suspect Axel Rudakubana has refused to speak as he appeared in court over murder, ricin and terror charges.

www.lbc.co.uk

 

[jcdenton08]

Hands up who has Islamist terror material in their possession, along with deadly poison, having just murdered three innocent young girls at a birthday party? Nobody?

Big difference between the above and owning a copy of “The Communist Manifesto”, a comparison, I think, which is rather blasé and disingenuous.

 

[Zeberdi]

Hands up who has Islamist terror material in their possession, along with deadly poison, having just murdered three innocent young girls at a birthday party? Nobody?

Big difference between the above and owning a copy of “The Communist Manifesto”, a comparison, I think, which is rather blasé and disingenuous.

You seem to be missing the point. For a crime to be designated at a terrorist attack it has to be motivated by an ideology at the time of the attack. Otherwise it is just a murder charge.


You may be right - the police could establish a causative link with what they found in the house to a terrorist intention behind his killing spree. However, until that is clearly established, they cannot bring a charge of Terrorism against him for the attack. They have to prove that he was trying to further a religious or political ideology.


The latest terror charges do not require the element of intention so easier to prove - the charges are possession and production of Ricin.

We just don’t know enough to speculate and the rumours circulating of cover ups are ridiculous conspiracy theories being pedalled by the hard right to keep immigrant and anti-Muslim sentiments at the fore.

That’s one article

I posted another above.

This is information that was provided in Court and by neighbours.

“In court, the prosecution said that Rudakubana had been “diagnosed with autism” and had been “unwilling to leave the house and communicate with family for a period of time”.

Southport stabbing: Who is Axel Muganwa Rudakubana, the 17-year-old who ‘killed’ 3 children?

After keeping his identity unknown for days, a court in the UK has lifted the restrictions in naming the 17-year-old accused in the Southport stabbing case. The teen has been identified as Axel Muganwa Rudakubana, who according to neighbours, is ‘quiet and introverted’. His motive for killing...

www.firstpost.com

 

[Guinness Boy]

You seem to be missing the point. For a crime to be designated at a terrorist attack it has to be motivated by an ideology at the time of the attack. Otherwise it is just a murder charge.


You may be right - the police could establish a causative link with what they found in the house to a terrorist intention behind his killing spree. However, until that is clearly established, they cannot bring a charge of Terrorism against him for the attack. They have to prove that he was trying to further a religious or political ideology.


The latest terror charges do not require the element of intention so easier to prove - the charges are possession and production of Ricin.

We just don’t know enough to speculate and the rumours circulating of cover ups are ridiculous conspiracy theories being pedalled by the hard right to keep immigrant and anti-Muslim sentiments at the fore.

I posted another above.

This is information that was provided in Court and by neighbours.

“In court, the prosecution said that Rudakubana had been “diagnosed with autism” and had been “unwilling to leave the house and communicate with family for a period of time”.

Southport stabbing: Who is Axel Muganwa Rudakubana, the 17-year-old who ‘killed’ 3 children?

After keeping his identity unknown for days, a court in the UK has lifted the restrictions in naming the 17-year-old accused in the Southport stabbing case. The teen has been identified as Axel Muganwa Rudakubana, who according to neighbours, is ‘quiet and introverted’. His motive for killing...

www.firstpost.com

Yes. This was covered in detail, yet brilliantly explained on this morning's Today programme. The legislation (not made by the current government) - as it stands - mean that you have to prove the defendant was motivated to terrorise people due to a religious or political ideology.

In the past this was easy. People made martyrdom videos or social media posts which showed they were exactly that. Police are still trying to establish whether this is the case for Southport, which is why speculating about it could endanger the whole prosecution.

It's also why Tommy Ten Names was asked for his phone pin. To search for evidence (or not) of crimes that were motivated by his political beliefs.

It's throughly depressing to read that in 2024 there's still a significant portion of Brighton's fanbase who believe that a white man should be treated better than a black or brown one under the law and then even seek to label it "two tier". I thought we were better than that but clearly the monkey chants and bananas have been replaced by social media activity.

 

[Since1982]

Yes. This was covered in detail, yet brilliantly explained on this morning's Today programme. The legislation (not made by the current government) - as it stands - mean that you have to prove the defendant was motivated to terrorise people due to a religious or political ideology.

In the past this was easy. People made martyrdom videos or social media posts which showed they were exactly that. Police are still trying to establish whether this is the case for Southport, which is why speculating about it could endanger the whole prosecution.

It's also why Tommy Ten Names was asked for his phone pin. To search for evidence (or not) of crimes that were motivated by his political beliefs.

It's throughly depressing to read that in 2024 there's still a significant portion of Brighton's fanbase who believe that a white man should be treated better than a black or brown one under the law and then even seek to label it "two tier". I thought we were better than that but clearly the monkey chants and bananas have been replaced by social media activity.

I fear that the subtlety of this argument transcends the understanding of your average racist / pro Tommy Robinson / anti Muslim. Meantime, those who love to stoke up division and hatred - Kendrick / Badenoch and the rest can play on this fact in pursuit of their unpleasant objectives.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Hands up who has Islamist terror material in their possession, along with deadly poison, having just murdered three innocent young girls at a birthday party? Nobody?

Big difference between the above and owning a copy of “The Communist Manifesto”, a comparison, I think, which is rather blasé and disingenuous.

I pointed out, with a clip from Newsnight, in post 3995, the pdf is from the USA military studying Al Qaeda. Whether it had an effect on the defendant or was instrumental in grooming, is for the police and counter terrorism to prove.

It must also be mentioned, again, this case is sub judice, with a trial date for January.

 

[rippleman]

Does it really matter about his motives or religion?

This cowardly scumbag bastard is never going to walk the streets again. He is going to get a whole life sentence which I very much hope he sees out in isolation and fear.

 

[Sussax]

Does it really matter about his motives or religion?

This cowardly scumbag bastard is never going to walk the streets again. He is going to get a whole life sentence which I very much hope he sees out in isolation and fear.

Wouldn’t you want to know why your kids were killed?