[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)

[peterward]

Spot on from Landsbergis and Kasparov.

 

[raymondo]

As far as I'm concerned, the 'conflict's roots ' is Russia, so yeah I'm all for their elimination

 

[Bodian]

The Guardian feed. Trump still seems keen on Ukraine giving up land to the aggressor.

 

[fly high]

The Guardian feed. Trump still seems keen on Ukraine giving up land to the aggressor.

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Sadly I think Trump was always going to let Putin keep land but how much? As for the power station isn't that in an area Russia doesn't control?

 

[Bodian]

Sadly I think Trump was always going to let Putin keep land but how much? As for the power station isn't that in an area Russia doesn't control?

Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[raymondo]

Rutte ambushed by Trump... probably a planted question, although an obvious one. I would have liked an answer: "well Greenland, Denmark is already in NATO so it's already protected surely. If NATO wants a bigger base on Greenland let's just discuss with them" something like that.
Rutte learning it's gonna be a tough job

 

[Bodian]

Rutte ambushed by Trump... probably a planted question, although an obvious one. I would have liked an answer: "well Greenland, Denmark is already in NATO so it's already protected surely. If NATO wants a bigger base on Greenland let's just discuss with them" something like that.
Rutte learning it's gonna be a tough job

Isn't there an ocean between the USA and Greenland? I thought they weren't bothered by things an ocean away?

 

[Triggaaar]

It may all be immaterial anyway due to the intransigence of the Russians. It remains to be seen whether Trump has the skills to persuade Putin to observe a ceasefire. Will you be placing a bet on it?

I'll bet there won't be peace any time soon.

 

[Triggaaar]

100% - it's not realistically about getting meaningful peace anytime soon - it's about forcing Putin to show his hand.

IMO the problem is that it doesn't actually force him to show his hand because he could agree to the ceasefire and then simply ignore it, and claim that Ukraine have ignored it.

 

[Triggaaar]

Has this been posted on here?

Believe it when I see it

 

[Triggaaar]

"do things very bad" said the President of the United States of America.

f*** me he can barely speak English, he's such a f***ing stupid idiot of a cretin. How did it come to this?

No, you're the idiot, Trump knows all the best words and you just don't understand. He's a jenius, that's what the J stands for.

 

[Eric the meek]

I'll bet there won't be peace any time soon.

I'll bet you're right.

The Germans recently predicted that Russia would soon be testing out the Nato Article 5 response - timing and strength of response.
Perhaps they've already done it by broadsiding the jet fuel tanker (among a good choice of other vessels) at 16 knots with nobody on the bridge.

 

[Triggaaar]

He’s fudging. “Agrees” but will make demands.

So the ceasefire needs to eliminate Putin. I'm in.

 

[Flounce]

Trump is so far out of his depth in trying to deal with Putin. They are both bully boys but Trump is a thick one

 

[Triggaaar]

Besides, demanding that your enemy not be allowed to re-arm but making no reciprocal commitment rather gives the game away does it not?

I think invading Ukraine and stating that Ukraine had no right to exist kinda gave the game away.

No peace agreement will stop Putin. He'll only stop if he is forced to. You can quote me on that in 5 years, and it'll still apply.

 

[SouthSaxon]

I think invading Ukraine and stating that Ukraine had no right to exist kinda gave the game away.

Fair point, well made. Could you let Donald know?

No peace agreement will stop Putin. He'll only stop if he is forced to. You can quote me on that in 5 years, and it'll still apply.

I agree with you. This whole exercise is an attempt to convince Trump of that fact, because he seems to think Vladimir Vladimirovich will “never, ever break friends “. He will need reality explaining to him very slowly and in words of one syllable.

 

[BN41Albion]

Trump is so far out of his depth in trying to deal with Putin. They are both bully boys but Trump is a thick one

But Trump said Putin would listen to him?

 

[The Oldman]

My thought is that Trump cannot get a deal he likes so he will walk away as he did with the North Korean guy

 

[raymondo]

Isn't there an ocean between the USA and Greenland? I thought they weren't bothered by things an ocean away?

Yes, it's the 'North American Ocean '... renamed recently.

 

[raymondo]

I'll bet you're right.

The Germans recently predicted that Russia would soon be testing out the Nato Article 5 response - timing and strength of response.
Perhaps they've already done it by broadsiding the jet fuel tanker (among a good choice of other vessels) at 16 knots with nobody on the bridge.

Weren't there unidentified drones flying over eastern Germany a couple of months back?