Why can't all lesbians be like this?

[itszamora]

im f***ing astonished by this , would you still consider it "technical" paedophilia if it was a fifteen year old boy getting his arse reamed out ? with or without his consent ?

If it's consensual, it's exactly the same situation - and in fairness teachers know you just CANNOT get involved sexually with students as it's an enormous breach of trust, peodophilia or no peodophilia.

If on the other hand the situation you describe happened without consent, then obviously it's rape.

 

[bhaexpress]

If it's consensual, it's exactly the same situation - and in fairness teachers know you just CANNOT get involved sexually with students as it's an enormous breach of trust, peodophilia or no peodophilia.

If on the other hand the situation you describe happened without consent, then obviously it's rape.

Yes, it was fully consensual as has been made quite clear. Yes the teacher showed very bad judgement and yes she broke the law. However, the sentence (not the judgement) is harsh, that's all.

 

[User removed 4]

I'm astonished you're getting so worked up about this. Frankly, it's an opinion which if you read the thread thoroughly others share, granted others don't. I doubt that you have actually weighed up the full facts but instead just decided to have yet another one of your tiresome rants. Of course you resorting to totally unnecessary profanity doesn't do your view any favours either.

ive read all the posts and im astonished that people can dismiss so lightly a teacher taking advantage of a pupil sexually, and it WAS taking advantage as 15 is nowhere near old enough to make a choice like that, in fact i seriously wonder what sort of agenda you have ?

 

[itszamora]

Yes, it was fully consensual as has been made quite clear. Yes the teacher showed very bad judgement and yes she broke the law. However, the sentence (not the judgement) is harsh, that's all.

Hmmm, not sure if I agree with you just because she absolutely knew it was wrong and hugely illegal and yet did it anyway - and the age isn't really a massive factor IMO because student-teacher relationships are still illegal up to the end of VI form.

As I think others have mentioned, what if she was a bloke but everything else about the case was the same? Would you still think 15 months was harsh then?

 

[bhaexpress]

ive read all the posts and im astonished that people can dismiss so lightly a teacher taking advantage of a pupil sexually, and it WAS taking advantage as 15 is nowhere near old enough to make a choice like that, in fact i seriously wonder what sort of agenda you have ?

Steady, you'll get spittle all over your Daily Mail.

 

[User removed 4]

Steady, you'll get spittle all over your Daily Mail.

hmmm , really original, show yourself to have , to say the least , questionable sexual ethics, so mention the daily mail and hope the groovy gang come riding to your rescue, f***ing nonce.

 

[bhaexpress]

hmmm , really original, show yourself to have , to say the least , questionable sexual ethics, so mention the daily mail and hope the groovy gang come riding to your rescue, f***ing nonce.

Judging by your need to resort to profanity and personal abuse I think you may have some unfortunate previous experience. I suggest you call this number as I think they should be able help you. 0800 11 11.

 

[sten_super]

Hmmm, not sure if I agree with you just because she absolutely knew it was wrong and hugely illegal and yet did it anyway - and the age isn't really a massive factor IMO because student-teacher relationships are still illegal up to the end of VI form.

As I think others have mentioned, what if she was a bloke but everything else about the case was the same? Would you still think 15 months was harsh then?

There are two facets to this conviction

1) She had a relationship with a pupil
2) She had a relationship with someone who was underage

I think the two have to be considered seperately.

1) is a clear offence, but does it deserve a jail term?
2) as others have been saying, I'm not sure this is such a big deal. It clearly wasn't a case of grooming, and the woman doesn't have form. The pair appear to be in a proper relationship. Having sex with, or being in a relationship with, someone under age does not make you a paedophile, let's get that straight.

My personal opinion (as the fluffy liberal that I am) is that the sentence was overly harsh. And I don't think that them being women has anything to do with this, I've just looked at the specifics of the case. The pupil did all of the legwork to induce the relationship, and at no point does it appear she was forced into anything.

 

[bhaexpress]

There are two facets to this conviction

1) She had a relationship with a pupil
2) She had a relationship with someone who was underage

I think the two have to be considered seperately.

1) is a clear offence, but does it deserve a jail term?
2) as others have been saying, I'm not sure this is such a big deal. It clearly wasn't a case of grooming, and the woman doesn't have form. The pair appear to be in a proper relationship. Having sex with, or being in a relationship with, someone under age does not make you a paedophile, let's get that straight.

My personal opinion (as the fluffy liberal that I am) is that the sentence was overly harsh. And I don't think that them being women has anything to do with this, I've just looked at the specifics of the case. The pupil did all of the legwork to induce the relationship, and at no point does it appear she was forced into anything.

That's going to get you off Bushy's Christmas Card list

 

[User removed 4]

That's going to get you off Bushy's Christmas Card list

groovy gang to the rescue, once again i'll ask, would you consider it the same if it was a male teacher involved with either a 15 year old girl or 15 year old boy ?

 

[El Presidente]

hmmm , really original, show yourself to have , to say the least , questionable sexual ethics, so mention the daily mail and hope the groovy gang come riding to your rescue, f***ing nonce.

If everything to do with underage sex is as wrong as you make it out to be, surely it is equally wrong for you to accuse someone of being a 'f***ing nonce', as by doing so you are accusing them of being a paedophile whilst having zero evidence to back it up.

 

[El Presidente]

groovy gang to the rescue, once again i'll ask, would you consider it the same if it was a male teacher involved with either a 15 year old girl or 15 year old boy ?

As someone who is both works in education and has a 14 year old daughter I would say that any breach of trust by an educator is unacceptable and warrants punishment.

But the whole point of the original post was to highlight the hypocrisy that if it was a male teacher involved then the picture of said teacher would not have made the front page of The Times, and the salacious reporting of the nature of the sexual relationship would have been omitted.

 

[sten_super]

groovy gang to the rescue, once again i'll ask, would you consider it the same if it was a male teacher involved with either a 15 year old girl or 15 year old boy ?

As I said in my response, yes. This is a case of two people falling for each other, in the wrong place and the wrong time. Doesn't matter whether they are men, women or sheep. As I say IMO the greater of the two offences is that she abused her position of trust as a teacher.

 

[User removed 4]

As I said in my response, yes. This is a case of two people falling for each other, in the wrong place and the wrong time. Doesn't matter whether they are men, women or sheep. As I say IMO the greater of the two offences is that she abused her position of trust as a teacher.

sure , because a 15 year old girls hormones arent all over the place are they, your mid teens are the most settled time of your life when you make the most rational decisions , astonishing that people are choosing to overlook this.

 

[User removed 4]

As someone who is both works in education and has a 14 year old daughter I would say that any breach of trust by an educator is unacceptable and warrants punishment.

But the whole point of the original post was to highlight the hypocrisy that if it was a male teacher involved then the picture of said teacher would not have made the front page of The Times, and the salacious reporting of the nature of the sexual relationship would have been omitted.

im sure that was the original point, but it wasnt the point i was commenting on.

 

[Simster]

im sure that was the original point, but it wasnt the point i was commenting on.

I think the point you are commenting on is that it beggars belief anyone could have any sympathy for someone in a position of responsibilty having sex with a minor.

Which is fine; but others disagree with you. For once, I'd like to agree to disagree on this one without it descending into a binfest. And no, my opinion wouldn't differ if the 15yo girl was my daughter either.

 

[Rusthall Seagull]

ive read all the posts and im astonished that people can dismiss so lightly a teacher taking advantage of a pupil sexually, and it WAS taking advantage as 15 is nowhere near old enough to make a choice like that, in fact i seriously wonder what sort of agenda you have ?

is 16 years old enough to make a choice like that then ?

does a 16 year old boy having sex with a 15 year old girl make hime a 'f***ing nonce' ?

Genuine question...

 

[Milton Keynes Seagull]

As someone who is both works in education and has a 14 year old daughter I would say that any breach of trust by an educator is unacceptable and warrants punishment.

But the whole point of the original post was to highlight the hypocrisy that if it was a male teacher involved then the picture of said teacher would not have made the front page of The Times, and the salacious reporting of the nature of the sexual relationship would have been omitted.

In my view it is obnoxious that any teacher would betray the trust that parents place in them to educate their children. It also disquieting that the thread starter, in education services himself, posts the story not with objectivity in mind but at a schoolboyish level of humour akin to pubescent males sniggering behind the bycycle sheds with a porno mag.

 

[sten_super]

sure , because a 15 year old girls hormones arent all over the place are they, your mid teens are the most settled time of your life when you make the most rational decisions , astonishing that people are choosing to overlook this.

Of course they aren't; but then the age limit of 16 is almost entirely abritrary; why is a teenager in a better position 6 months down the line to make these decisions? As I said, IMO she hasn't been 'taken advantage of' or anything of the sort.

 

[Simster]

Of course they aren't; but then the age limit of 16 is almost entirely abritrary

This is a good point. Afterall, Romeo and Juliet was written about two 14 year olds...