Who is the worst PM ?.

[aftershavedave]

actually MOH your bang out of order there as I had the most difficult time of my life in the early 90's with the recession it hit my industry massively, think about it man, do you think negative equity was good for the mortgage market , it was a disaster, how could crippling interest rates be a recipe for mortgage advisor to do well, also if people were in negative equity how could they sell , you have contradicted yourself there, tens of thousands of people in the finance industry lost their jobs but they did not have a march in the capitol for them or make a film about it ala Brassed Off, funny old world

so it was the most difficult time of your life (under thatcher) but blair is the worst PM ever?

how?

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

Maybe mortgage advisors did pretty well out of a large number of desperate people with negative equity having to sell because of crippling interest rates?

you may be confusing a mortgage advisor with an estate agent, a mortgage advisor would not benefit financially from someone selling a property

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

so it was the most difficult time of your life (under thatcher) but blair is the worst PM ever?

how?

Because I am not being a selfish bastard and looking at the bigger picture thats why

 

[Bluejuice]

So by your own admission you suffered under Thatcher and the Tories, yet you feel the country is worse off under Blair's New Labour?

Considering all the facts on this thread already, exactly who, in your opinion, came out on top during the Thatcher years, considering it wasn't you?

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

City Yuppies like Dwayne and Hovebornandbred

 

[Bluejuice]

And that makes the Thatcher years a GOOD thing? ? ?

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

did I say it was good, I didn;t say anything about Thatcher I just slated blair

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

I would also point out that Thatchers rise to the premier almost exactly matched Brightons rise to the premier 1979 and that is a good thing

 

[keaton]

actually MOH your bang out of order there as I had the most difficult time of my life in the early 90's with the recession it hit my industry massively, think about it man, do you think negative equity was good for the mortgage market , it was a disaster, how could crippling interest rates be a recipe for mortgage advisor to do well, also if people were in negative equity how could they sell , you have contradicted yourself there, tens of thousands of people in the finance industry lost their jobs but they did not have a march in the capitol for them or make a film about it ala Brassed Off, funny old world

I know, Spielberg could've made a moving three hour black and white movie about couldn't he? Mortgage Advisors were the new Jews in the early 90s

 

[Uncle Buck]

Glover, the Social Democrat....

 

[supaseagull]

you may be confusing a mortgage advisor with an estate agent, a mortgage advisor would not benefit financially from someone selling a property

completely wrong as usual....A mortgage adviser WOULD benefit as they sell insurance policies as a result of the property purchase/sale as the person has to move into another house...eg life assurance, health assurance, home & contents INsurance, loan protection....In fact Financial Advisers during the 80's made millions more than Estate Agents!

 

[Guinness Boy]

Because I am not being a selfish bastard and looking at the bigger picture thats why

Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear.

Don't you think that there is the tinyest weenyist possibility that if you were having such a shit time so was the rest of the country? Sheesh.

 

[Man of Harveys]

I know, Spielberg could've made a moving three hour black and white movie about couldn't he? Mortgage Advisors were the new Jews in the early 90s

Christ, that's very far out of order and quite funny at the same time.

 

[attila]

Blair stole all Thatcher's policies anyway......

but she was worse because she made them up

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

completely wrong as usual....A mortgage adviser WOULD benefit as they sell insurance policies as a result of the property purchase/sale as the person has to move into another house...eg life assurance, health assurance, home & contents INsurance, loan protection....In fact Financial Advisers during the 80's made millions more than Estate Agents!

silly me thats where I've been going wrong for the last 15 years, thanks for the advice.

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

if someone was forced to sell through negative equity, they would not buy another property they would rent or move in with family, so there would not be a stack of policies to sell there I wouldn't have thought.

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

Christ Thatcher must have been really bad to be worse than Blair

 

[aftershavedave]

Christ Thatcher must have been really bad to be worse than Blair

you're getting there.

 

[Moshe Gariani]

Achievements

1. Longest period of sustained low inflation since the 60s
2. Low mortgage rates
3. Introduced the National Minimum Wage and raised it to £5.35
4. Record police numbers in England, Scotland and Wales
5. Cut overall crime by 35 per cent
6. Record levels of literacy and numeracy in schools
7. Best-ever primary school results
8. Funding for every pupil in England to double by 2008
9. Employment is at its highest level ever
10. Written off up to 100 per cent of debt owed by poorest countries
11. 85,000 more nurses
12. 32,000 more doctors
13. Brought back matrons to hospital wards
14. Devolved power to the Scottish Parliament
15. Devolved power to Welsh Assembly
16. Dads now get paternity leave of 2 weeks for the first time
17. NHS Direct offering free convenient patient advice
18. Gift aid was worth £625 million to charities last year
19. Restored city-wide government to London
20. Record number of students in higher education
21. Child benefit up 25 per cent since 1997
22. Created Sure Start to help children from low income households
23. Introduced the Disability Rights Commission
24. £200 winter fuel payment to pensioners & extra £100 for over-80s
25. On course to exceed the Kyoto target to reduce greenhouse gas emissions by 2010
26. Negotiated the historic Good Friday Agreement in Northern Ireland
27. Over 30,000 more teachers in England schools
28. All workers now have a right to 4 weeks’ paid holiday
29. A million pensioners lifted out of relative poverty
30. 800,000 children lifted out of relative poverty
31. Introduced child tax credit giving more money to parents
32. Scrapped Section 28 and introduced Civil Partnerships
33. Brought over 1 million social homes up to standard
34. Free school milk for five, six and seven-year-olds in Wales
35. Banned fox hunting
36. Cleanest rivers, beaches, drinking water and air since the industrial revolution
37. Free TV licences for over-75s
38. Banned fur farming and the testing of cosmetics on animals
39. Waiting times for operations halved
40. Free local bus travel for over-60s
41. New Deal - helped over a million people into work
42. Over 1.5 million child trust funds have been started
43. Free eye test for over 60s
44. Five, six and seven year olds in class sizes of 30 or less
45. Free entry to national museums and galleries
46. Overseas aid budget more than doubled
47. Cancer death rates down by 12 per cent, saving 43,000 lives
48. Cut long-term youth unemployment by 75 per cent
49. Free nursery places for three and four-year-olds in England, Scotland and Wales
50. Free fruit for all four to six-year-olds at school

 

[The Large One]

Am sure there are some stinkers in here;

1902 Arthur Balfour Conservative
1895 Marquess of Salisbury Conservative
1894 Earl of Rosebery Liberal
1892 William Ewart Gladstone Liberal
1886 Marquess of Salisbury Conservative
1886 William Ewart Gladstone Liberal
1885 Marquess of Salisbury Conservative
1880 William Ewart Gladstone Liberal
1874 Benjamin Disraeli Conservative
1868 William Ewart Gladstone Liberal
1868 Benjamin Disraeli Conservative
1866 Edward Stanley, Earl of Derby Conservative
1865 John Russell, Earl Russell Liberal
1858 Viscount Palmerston Liberal
1858 Edward Stanley, Earl of Derby Conservative
1855 Viscount Palmerston Liberal
1852 George Hamilton-Gordon, Earl of Aberdeen Conservative
1852 Edward Stanley, Earl of Derby Conservative
1846 Lord John Russell Whig
1841 Sir Robert Peel Tory
1835 William Lamb, Viscount Melbourne Whig
1834 Sir Robert Peel Tory
1834 Arthur Wellesley, Duke of Wellington Tory
1834 William Lamb, Viscount Melbourne Whig
1830 Charles Grey, Earl Grey Whig
1828 Arthur Wellesley, Duke of Wellington Tory
1827 Frederick Robinson, Viscount Goderich Tory
1827 George Canning Tory
1812 Robert Jenkinson, Earl of Liverpool Tory
1809 Spencer Perceval Tory
1807 William Bentinck, Duke of Portland Tory
1806 William Grenville, Lord Grenville Whig
1804 William Pitt, the Younger Tory
1801 Henry Addington Tory
1783 William Pitt, the Younger Tory
1783 William Bentinck, Duke of Portland Tory
1782 William FitzMaurice, Earl of Shelburne Whig
1782 Charles Watson-Wentworth, Marquess of Rockingham Whig
1770 Frederick North, Lord North Tory
1767 Augustus Fitzroy, Duke of Grafton Whig
1766 William Pitt the Elder, Earl of Chatham Whig
1765 Charles Watson-Wentworth, Marquess of Rockingham Whig
1763 George Grenville Whig
1762 John Stuart, Earl of Bute Tory
1757 Thomas Pelham-Holles, Duke of Newcastle Whig
1756 William Cavendish, Duke of Devonshire Whig
1754 Thomas Pelham-Holles, Duke of Newcastle Whig
1743 Henry Pelham Whig
1742 Spencer Compton, Earl of Wilmington Whig
1721 Sir Robert Walpole Whig

That lot were NOT Prime Ministers. FACT.