trouble in birmingham city centre

[Buzzer]

My one complaint. Too many hills.

 

[Gwylan]

My one complaint. Too many hills.

Good point. She moans about that too

Two complaints then....

 

[User removed 4]

You didn't ask about other people. You said "tell me truthfully how you would feel if worthing or indeed brighton was 35% muslim and 20% african in 10 years time". And my truthful answer is that I'm not bothered - and to anticipate any "it's easy to say that" comments, I pointed out that I'd already lived in areas of high immigration.

In fact, Mrs Gwylan- who's a Londoner through and through - has one complaint about Brighton: it's just too white.

i didnt ask you i asked buzzer , and as i stated come back and talk to me when the moulsecoomb you grew up in has changed beyond all recognition and its you that is made to feel an outsider, as for your missus , i just dont believe you , brighton is a pretty cosmopolitan place and i doubt even the most yasmin alibhai- brownesque woman would say that.

 

[looney]

In fact, Mrs Gwylan- who's a Londoner through and through - has one complaint about Brighton: it's just too white.

Well your wifes a racist then.

 

[Gwylan]

i didnt ask you i asked buzzer , and as i stated come back and talk to me when the moulsecoomb you grew up in has changed beyond all recognition and its you that is made to feel an outsider, as for your missus , i just dont believe you , brighton is a pretty cosmopolitan place and i doubt even the most yasmin alibhai- brownesque woman would say that.

Sorry, I thought this was a messageboard and posts were for people to comment on. And I can truthfully say, I'd have no problem if Moulsecoomb or Coldean where I live now, was 50% black or Asian.

I can assure you my missus moans about the ethnic mix in Brighton a lot. It's scarcely that cosmopolitan - it's 94.3% white according to the last census. Mind you, that's a big change from when I was a kid, we had about 3 black or Asian kids in my school the whole time I was there.

 

[Sweeney Todd]

Why is the British far-Right gaining representation in councils and the European Parliament but the far-Left not? (The first-past-the-post electoral system prevents either extreme from gaining seats in the House of Commons.)

 

[Gwylan]

Why is the British far-Right gaining representation in councils and the European Parliament but the far-Left not? (The first-past-the-post electoral system prevents either extreme from gaining seats in the House of Commons.)

That's an interesting question.

It's not quite true to say that the far-left aren't gaining representation, the Socialist Party has several councillors but it is true to say that they're dwarved by the BNP's.

I think there are several reasons. One is that there's no big far-left party in the same way that the BNP is a big far-right party. There are about seven or eight parties fighting for prominence - and most of them HATE each other. The BNP is better organised and has seen off the other challengers.

It's also the case that many of them don't see councils or Parliament as the way forward and see the streets as the battleground - the very policy that the BNP has rejected in recent years. And finally, many of the people who used to fit into far-left policies, have become more involved in environmental issues and a lot of have gone over to the Green party.

The far-left themselves would probably give some nonsense about a lack of class consciousness. I'm sure Trotsky would have had something to say.

 

[BigGully]

You didn't ask about other people. You said "tell me truthfully how you would feel if worthing or indeed brighton was 35% muslim and 20% african in 10 years time". And my truthful answer is that I'm not bothered - and to anticipate any "it's easy to say that" comments, I pointed out that I'd already lived in areas of high immigration.

In fact, Mrs Gwylan- who's a Londoner through and through - has one complaint about Brighton: it's just too white.

I would suspect that his wife is not a racist, no more than me not actually wishing a Brighton population of 35% muslim making me one.

I somehow think that if he hadn't been rumbled with that lazy and clumsy comment he would want to imply that me and many others on here racists whilst commenting on immigration.

I do not accept his or his wifes conclusion that a minority white population might in someway improve the Brighton that I grew up in and enjoyed so much, I think its called my roots !

Come to think of it why would you not think that a white man might be offended by your comment, whilst seeing so clearly the offence it might cause if that comment was aimed against another race ??

 

[User removed 4]

Sorry, I thought this was a messageboard and posts were for people to comment on. And I can truthfully say, I'd have no problem if Moulsecoomb or Coldean where I live now, was 50% black or Asian.

I can assure you my missus moans about the ethnic mix in Brighton a lot. It's scarcely that cosmopolitan - it's 94.3% white according to the last census. Mind you, that's a big change from when I was a kid, we had about 3 black or Asian kids in my school the whole time I was there.

I wonder why you didn't stay in any of the ethnically mixed paradises that you mention, and came home to good old 94.3 per cent white brighton ?

 

[looney]

That's an interesting question.

It's not quite true to say that the far-left aren't gaining representation, the Socialist Party has several councillors but it is true to say that they're dwarved by the BNP's.

I think there are several reasons. One is that there's no big far-left party in the same way that the BNP is a big far-right party. There are about seven or eight parties fighting for prominence - and most of them HATE each other. The BNP is better organised and has seen off the other challengers.

It's also the case that many of them don't see councils or Parliament as the way forward and see the streets as the battleground - the very policy that the BNP has rejected in recent years. And finally, many of the people who used to fit into far-left policies, have become more involved in environmental issues and a lot of have gone over to the Green party.

The far-left themselves would probably give some nonsense about a lack of class consciousness. I'm sure Trotsky would have had something to say.

So nothing to do with the policies which are good and holy and beyond question then.

 

[looney]

I wonder why you didn't stay in any of the ethnically mixed paradises that you mention, and came home to good old 94.3 per cent white brighton ?

Point made.

To me areas in the UK are to black, a sign of high crime, social incohesion and poorer quality of life. How many leftists do you know babble on about it being so much better, and yet they couldn't leave fast enough.

 

[csider]

You didn't ask about other people. You said "tell me truthfully how you would feel if worthing or indeed brighton was 35% muslim and 20% african in 10 years time". And my truthful answer is that I'm not bothered - and to anticipate any "it's easy to say that" comments, I pointed out that I'd already lived in areas of high immigration.

In fact, Mrs Gwylan- who's a Londoner through and through - has one complaint about Brighton: it's just too white.

being a londoner and wanting more blacks...is she a coon then??

 

[SJ's Love Monkey]

being a londoner and wanting more blacks...is she a coon then??

Subtle mate i will give you that!

 

[Gwylan]

I wonder why you didn't stay in any of the ethnically mixed paradises that you mention, and came home to good old 94.3 per cent white brighton ?

That's a good question.

The main reason was that we couldn't afford a house big enough for two kids in London. We'd have liked to have stayed in Tooting but it would have cost about £120k to £150k more. As we had to move out of London, it made sense to move back to Brighton, where I had family and where my roots were.

And no, my wife's not a racist. She's white so certainly has nothing against whites. Her reasoning is that my daughter's class is 100% white and she has realised that my daughter is a bit suspicious of black people and thinks that it would be better if she experienced a more diverse community. I think it's something that my daughter will grow out of but I can understand my wife's reasoning.

Me, I'm not bothered: I grew up in a white area and it didn't turn me into a racist. I'd have no problems if this neighbourhood was predominantly white or predominantly black as long as the neighbours were fine.

 

[Dandyman]

perhaps "anti-fascist" is a catch all term that includes muslim extremists ?? That isnt too hard to envisage is it ? Your faux innocence about this sort of thing is so transparently false you shouldnt bother anymore.

Dear me, you must get very bored with all us limp liberal Albion fans. Why not go back to your Chelski mates, you're bound to have more in common with whatever remains of the Ginger Pig's little mob.

 

[Gwylan]

I do not accept his or his wifes conclusion that a minority white population might in someway improve the Brighton that I grew up in and enjoyed so much, I think its called my roots !

I didn't say that or imply that. I said, in answer to Bushy's question, I wasn't bothered if the white population of Brighton was in a minority. I was speaking for myself not other people. And I certainly didn't say that it would be better if it were - or anything like that.

 

[cunning fergus]

You didn't ask about other people. You said "tell me truthfully how you would feel if worthing or indeed brighton was 35% muslim and 20% african in 10 years time". And my truthful answer is that I'm not bothered - and to anticipate any "it's easy to say that" comments, I pointed out that I'd already lived in areas of high immigration.

In fact, Mrs Gwylan- who's a Londoner through and through - has one complaint about Brighton: it's just too white.

She sounds an like an interesting woman, just what is her preferred levels of tokenism?

Perhaps she could take some comfort in the fact that Brighton has a surplus of bentarses.

 

[1 night only]

Dear me, you must get very bored with all us limp liberal Albion fans. Why not go back to your Chelski mates, you're bound to have more in common with whatever remains of the Ginger Pig's little mob.

Hold on your a Yid though (from your sig) and your telling a Chelsea fan (you say) to do one from a Brighton site?

I spent my teenage years on the Shelf and am a Yid and I have followed BHA for just as long but I know that BHA have now, in the past and no doubt will always have a significant minority of the far right among the following, its the way with BHA always has been.

 

[BigGully]

I didn't say that or imply that. I said, in answer to Bushy's question, I wasn't bothered if the white population of Brighton was in a minority. I was speaking for myself not other people. And I certainly didn't say that it would be better if it were - or anything like that.

But not to consider the consequences associated with such an 'extreme' comment is odd.

It's almost as if you are so keen to express yourself as an anti fascist that you are unaware that your own comments might be construed as racist itself.

I am not sure what the percentage of whites or non whites are within my own children's classes, but they do not hold any suspicion of any unrepresented race or culture, why would they ?

At what point would you be happy that your child no longer becomes in someway racist towards any unrepresented race, just blacks ??

All rather strange !!!

 

[Lord Bracknell]

being a londoner and wanting more blacks...is she a coon then??

I learned my anti-racism from my grandad - a brickie who moved to Rotherhithe in 1934 and lived there until he died, aged 77. I remember him being outraged by the racism of those dockers who marched in support of "Good Old Enoch", in the aftermath of the notorious "rivers of blood" speech. And his wasn't the only voice in the neighbourhood to be warning about the pernicious influence of far-right trouble makers who had not one jot of interest in the community that he had lived in happily for 35 years.