The great Vicente saga - 2012 edition [All quite exciting in the end]

[public school boy]

Up until last week when the Albion stated there were invoking the 2nd year option, he was effectively at the end of his 1 year contract, and therefore fully entitled to speak to whomever he wanted. It was only when they Albion stated they were triggering the 2nd year, that effectively he was under contract again.

Was he still not under contract as the original contract had not expired? Were Vicente, his agent and Elche CF trying to string Brighton along by making them think that all was well and that Vicente would sign on his return but once the original contract expired, would turn around and say that he was going to leave to join Elche? Elche would have had him on a free but are now not willing to pay for him. One might suggest that the Spanish plan has been foiled

 

[Manx Shearwater]

Was he still not under contract as the original contract had not expired? Were Vicente, his agent and Elche CF trying to string Brighton along by making them think that all was well and that Vicente would sign on his return but once the original contract expired, would turn around and say that he was going to leave to join Elche? Elche would have had him on a free but are now not willing to pay for him. One might suggest that the Spanish plan has been foiled

That pretty much sums up the rash assumption I am making on this whole affair.

 

[Bold Seagull]

From my understanding he was still under contract until the end of the day on 30/06/2012, and the option was invoked before this time. Therefore at no point was he legally out of contract and entitled to talk to other parties, unless we gave him permission, which I think is unlikely.

I think under FIFA/UEFA/FA transfer rules you can talk to other clubs once you enter the last month or whatever of your contract. I don't know exactly the time period, but I'm pretty sure that a player can start to sort his next club out without his existing clubs permission if he is in that last period.

 

[Bold Seagull]

Was he still not under contract as the original contract had not expired? Were Vicente, his agent and Elche CF trying to string Brighton along by making them think that all was well and that Vicente would sign on his return but once the original contract expired, would turn around and say that he was going to leave to join Elche? Elche would have had him on a free but are now not willing to pay for him. One might suggest that the Spanish plan has been foiled

See my post above - I think you can, if in the last part of your contract talk to other parties.

Why would Vicente need to string Brighton along when they had publicly stated they weren't going to hold him to the second year? Sounds to me like he's kept his options open, probably was coming back, then Elche have come in near where he lives and he fancies doing that. The big change has come when BHA slapped the 2nd year clause on when they said they weren't.

 

[Manx Shearwater]

Why would he string Brighton along?

Because if Elche can only afford him on a free, and not for a fee, then his move collapses unless thet extension option is not activated. Hence, keep BHA sweet.

 

[dingodan]

If in April Vicente had said 'I'm not going to hold the club to the second year, and I'm happy they move me on', then in June decides he is going to hold us to the second year, then I'm sure we'd be pretty pissed off.

Now imagine that he had said, "I won't hold them to a second year", then at the end of the season we start negotiating for the terms of that second year, we say "yes we'd like you to stay for a second year", we keep negotiating "nearly there, nearly there", then he starts hearing that we are talking to a top midfielder to replace him. He might just start waving around that second year page of the contract too, if the tables were reversed.

 

[dingodan]

Why would he string Brighton along?

Because if Elche can only afford him on a free, and not for a fee, then his move collapses unless thet extension option is not activated. Hence, keep BHA sweet.

Yes. We have been stitched up. Not necessarily because he is leaving, but because of the manner in which he (or his managing agents) tried to do it.

 

[macky]

See my post above - I think you can, if in the last part of your contract talk to other parties.

Why would Vicente need to string Brighton along when they had publicly stated they weren't going to hold him to the second year? Sounds to me like he's kept his options open, probably was coming back, then Elche have come in near where he lives and he fancies doing that. The big change has come when BHA slapped the 2nd year clause on when they said they weren't.

Brighton said nothing of the sort gus said something along thise lines But sadly for Vincente and you Gus doe nothold that contract

 

[mejonaNO12 aka riskit]

Brighton said nothing of the sort gus said something along thise lines But sadly for Vincente and you Gus doe nothold that contract

He said who in the what now?

 

[gripper stebson]

Brighton said nothing of the sort gus said something along thise lines But sadly for Vincente and you Gus doe nothold that contract

And this week's 'Scant regard for grammar or spelling' award goes to...

 

[Aadam]

I believe if you are a certain time period from the end of your contract, you are free to negotiate with anyone if you are over a certain age (I assume 24? the same as when players are allowed to move for free out of contract). So, as the option hadn't been activated at that point, his contract was due to expire this past weekend, so he was within that end of contract period at the time.

I don't believe this is the case, the FA Rules are quite clear and make NO reference to being able to speak to other clubs until the expiry of his contract.

64 Transfers After Expiry of Contract

64.1 Subject to the provisions of these Regulations, (and, in particular, Regulation 40), a Player shall be free to seek registration with any Club of his choice, on the expiry of his contract of employment.

 

[macky]

And this week's 'Scant regard for grammar or spelling' award goes to...

Sorry prat

 

[kalinski]

Right offically bored of all this. He comes back, great, but it will be with a diminished reputation, or he jogs on and we get on with pre-season. Personally I am gutted no matter what he decides, because that performance against Derby was the best of any player i have seen play for the Albion. I started going in 1977

 

[Aadam]

See my post above - I think you can, if in the last part of your contract talk to other parties.

Why would Vicente need to string Brighton along when they had publicly stated they weren't going to hold him to the second year? Sounds to me like he's kept his options open, probably was coming back, then Elche have come in near where he lives and he fancies doing that. The big change has come when BHA slapped the 2nd year clause on when they said they weren't.

You can't. Can we put this to bed please? You cannot approach a player, under contract, unless you have permission from the club to do so. Brighton wouldn't allow anyone to do this.

Re-engagement of Players
(i) On or after 1st April of the year in which an agreement or any renewal of it
expires, a Player under written contract may enter into a new agreement
with and again be registered for the Club.
(ii) Until the existing agreement or any renewal of it has terminated:
(A) a Player may not enter into any agreement with any other
Club in membership with The Association, or an Affi liated
Association, or of any other national football association; and
(B) the Player may not be approached by any other Club, or Club
Offi cial of any other Club, or any person with a view to inducing
the Player to leave the Club for which the Player is registered,
except with the written permission of that Club.
(iii) If, by the time specifi ed for such notice to be served, the Player has not
received notice exercising an option or off ering a further re-engagement
under paragraph C1(j) of this Rule, the Player is free to make such
enquiries or approaches as thought fi t to secure employment when the
agreement or renewal of it terminates.

 

[dingodan]

Sorry prat

You capitalise the S, but you are not interested in a fullstop.

Make up your mind.

 

[pornomagboy]

You can't. Can we put this to bed please? You cannot approach a player, under contract, unless you have permission from the club to do so. Brighton wouldn't allow anyone to do this.

So if he does go could we sue him for breach of contract and FIFA rules

 

[Bold Seagull]

You can't. Can we put this to bed please? You cannot approach a player, under contract, unless you have permission from the club to do so. Brighton wouldn't allow anyone to do this.

You're own post confirms my point and contradicted your own, thanks for finding it, just a case of highlighting the wrong part.

(iii) If, by the time specified for such notice to be served, the Player has not
received notice exercising an option or offering a further re-engagement
under paragraph C1(j) of this Rule, the Player is free to make such
enquiries or approaches as thought fit to secure employment when the
agreement or renewal of it terminates.

 

[Bold Seagull]

Brighton said nothing of the sort gus said something along thise lines But sadly for Vincente and you Gus doe nothold that contract

Sadly for Vicente and me!?

You really aren't making any sense at all now, and I'm ignoring the spelling and grammar!

 

[dingodan]

You're own post confirms my point and contradicted your own, thanks for finding it, just a case of highlighting the wrong part.

(iii) If, by the time specified for such notice to be served, the Player has not
received notice exercising an option or offering a further re-engagement
under paragraph C1(j) of this Rule, the Player is free to make such
enquiries or approaches as thought fit to secure employment when the
agreement or renewal of it terminates.

Does this not mean that if we had not been negotiating a contract with him, he would then have a right to..."make such
enquiries or approaches as thought fit to secure employment when the agreement or renewal of it terminates."

But we were negotiating a contract with him...

 

[macky]

Sadly for Vicente and me!?

You really aren't making any sense at all now, and I'm ignoring the spelling and grammar!

well you seem to be defending him breaking his contract but never mind that join in the rest picking on my grammar