[Politics] The General Election Thread

[nicko31]

This is why I rarely debate politics online. Original question answered with a new question... Nope no one voted on 'the version of leave served up by Boris' but they did vote LEAVE. It aint rocket science. Even a wally like me gets it.

So no one voted for what BJ has delivered, bodes well....

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

LEAVE MEANS LEAVE
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DF

LEAVE MEANS LEAVE AND BE PART OF A FREE TRADEZONE BETWEEN ICELAND AND THE BORDER OF RUSSIA, AS DETAILED IN THE OFFICIAL VOTE LEAVE DOCUMENTATION TO EXPLAIN THE BALLOT LEAVE OPTION AS SET OUT BY THE REFERENDUM ACT
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BV

 

[CHAPPERS]

PM pulled his own Withdrawal Bill which would have seen us leave the EU in some form, thereby respecting the referendum, but he pulled it. We could be out.

But yeah, the Lib Dems.

 

[Guinness Boy]

We didn't vote on the deal, we voted leave or remain. If the Brexit Party won the election and we left without a deal they would have at least acted on the basis of a democratic vote. The Lib Dems have said they will completely ignore the referendum and stop Brexit at all costs: undemocratic. Hence they should remove the 'Democrat' part of their name.

Surely if we vote in the LDs, with stopping Brexit as their central policy, that is a democratic decision that supercedes the referendum as it was the result of a democratic vote called by the same party that called the original referendum?

I don't know why everyone's pissing their pants though. There's more chance of me scoring against Norwich tomorrow than Swinson winning the GE.

It is, however, an opposing party's right, indeed their whole point, to make policy that opposes that of the government.

Perhaps the name should stand after all, otherwise we're in danger of running the country on the basis of referendum followed by dictatorship.

 

[Gwylan]

We didn't vote on the deal, we voted leave or remain. If the Brexit Party won the election and we left without a deal they would have at least acted on the basis of a democratic vote. The Lib Dems have said they will completely ignore the referendum and stop Brexit at all costs: undemocratic. Hence they should remove the 'Democrat' part of their name.

This came up a couple of days ago and I still don't understand it. If enough people voted for the LDs so that they form a government then it would be perfectly democratic to withdraw Article 50 and cancel Brexit - that's how democracy works.

By the same token, it would be fine for the BP, if they formed the government, to ignore Johnson's deal and push for a Brexit on WTO terms - again, that's how democracy works. Decisions made by a previous government can't bind a new one, if they did, there'd be no point in having elections

 

[The Kid Frankie]

So no one voted for what BJ has delivered, bodes well....

So when was the public vote on BJ's deal remind me?

 

[CHAPPERS]

So when was the public vote on BJ's deal remind me?

There would have been one if he hadn't pulled his own bill and pushed for an election instead.

 

[Bold Seagull]

It is, however, an opposing party's right, indeed their whole point, to make policy that opposes that of the government.

The result wasn't a policy of any government though, it was a public vote. This isn't opposing another party, it is opposing a vote the nation took. I don't like the result, but neither do I like a platform of just ignoring it.

They supported and instigated the People's Vote campaign and yet have turned their back on it. Why change?

 

[hans kraay fan club]

Still in love with Jo Swinson i see
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DF

Go on, my weird little fantasist bot chum - humour me - search for and share with us, just ONE post where I have expressed any personal support of Jo Swinson.

 

[Bold Seagull]

There would have been one if he hadn't pulled his own bill and pushed for an election instead.

An election he wouldn't have got without the Lib Dems shafting the People's Vote they championed.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Go on, my weird little fantasist bot chum - humour me - search for and share with us, just ONE post where I have expressed any personal support of Jo Swinson.

i just have
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DF

 

[hans kraay fan club]

i just have
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DF

Righto.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Righto.

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DF

 

[Guinness Boy]

The result wasn't a policy of any government though, it was a public vote. This isn't opposing another party, it is opposing a vote the nation took. I don't like the result, but neither do I like a platform of just ignoring it.

It's opposing government policy which was based on a flawed and advisory referendum instigated by the same government. If you don't like the policy don't vote Lib Dem - I don't think many will.

They supported and instigated the People's Vote campaign and yet have turned their back on it. Why change?

Because they're a gang of oddballs and disenfranchised Tories who, if you believe Peter Kyle's FB post, can't make their mind up tactically at all. Kyle says there were numbers in the HoC for a confimatory referendum and that's one of the reasons Boris withdrew the bill. The only conclusion I can draw on both events is that LD strategists don't think Remain would win a second vote.

 

[nicko31]

So when was the public vote on BJ's deal remind me?

There is one on 12th December but its getting buried in an election, any proper vote has been refused incase he doesn't get the answer he wants..

 

[Bold Seagull]

Because they're a gang of oddballs and disenfranchised Tories who, if you believe Peter Kyle's FB post, can't make their mind up tactically at all. Kyle says there were numbers in the HoC for a confimatory referendum and that's one of the reasons Boris withdrew the bill. The only conclusion I can draw on both events is that LD strategists don't think Remain would win a second vote.

Can't disagree with you there.

 

[highflyer]

The result wasn't a policy of any government though, it was a public vote. This isn't opposing another party, it is opposing a vote the nation took. I don't like the result, but neither do I like a platform of just ignoring it.

They supported and instigated the People's Vote campaign and yet have turned their back on it. Why change?

I don't really care about Lib Dems positioning, although I happen to disagree and it would put me off voting for them (as though I ever would to be fair).

Labour's position (very straighforward and consistent for some time: negotiate a softish deal and give us all a vote on that v remain) may be regularly branded as 'confusing' and 'contradictory' but it seems to me to be the only sensible offer on the table from the different parties.

But the Lib Dems do have every right to re-set their policy as they wish ahead of a general election, and it's easy enough to do when you know you will not win, or even come close and logical in terms of maximising their vote share.

What really annoys me is the Lib Dem underhand manipulation with the whole 'tactical voting' thing, pretending, in effect, that to 'stop brexit' the correct vote is always Lib Dem - even where Labour are OBVIOUSLY the main opposition. That stinks.

But from what i have seen of Lib Dem political tactics up close, it doesn't surprise me. They aren't as cuddly as they try to make out!

 

[Deleted member 2719]

The man 'wears the mask of deceit'.

Be careful of what you wish for.

 

[Chicken Run]

Sure it’s on here already but Peter Kyle MP for Hove and Portslade has set up a crowd fund page for his election campaign, guess Momentum haven’t coughed up then!

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Very well played by the Brexit party

Admit the deals shit or they will run