The BNP

[Hungry Joe]

Before the war people who were subsequently conscripted and fought must have worn brown shirts.

It is an indictment of the political system if people who fought the Nazi's now feel their only choice is with the type of political ideology their comrades in arms gave their lives fighting.

But it's just another line trotted out without any proof to back it up DKM. There are undoubtably some (the more senile one's probably) but as a proportion of those left alive I very much doubt it equates to many.

 

[clapham_gull]

Many who fought in World War II also support the BNP.

And rather odd the BNP make such a huge thing about it isn't it ?

I mean, I find it hard to think of any other political party big or small that make such a fanfare about a second world war veteran joining their ranks.

Why on earth would the BNP jump on the chance to tell everybody that someone who fought the Nazis had joined their party.

....mmmmmmmmmmmmmm

 

[coventrygull]

Care to name some?

So are you saying that no old age pensioner who fought in World War II has ever voted or been a member of the BNP

 

[coventrygull]

But it's just another line trotted out without any proof to back it up DKM. There are undoubtably some (the more senile one's probably) but as a proportion of those left alive I very much doubt it equates to many.

So you insult people with dementia?

 

[Sweeney Todd]

Britain would have fought Germany in 1939 whatever the nature of the regime in Germany. We went to war in 1914 (on the pretext of protecting the sovereignty of Belgium) because German industrial might was undermining Britain's share of world trade. Of course, the British dressed up what amounted to an opportunity to protect Imperial trade as a moral crusade, but the reality was that Germany was not a military threat to Britain in 1914. Moreover, in 1914, the British went to war with the slogan "making the world safe for democracy", when Germany's system of government was more democratic than was the British.

In 1939, under a national-socialist regime, German economic and industrial might again threatened to leave Britain behind, so she had to be defeated. Yes, we fought a country which was governed by a fascist regime, but we did not go to war with Germany simply because it was governed so. Indeed, the British prime minister at the outbreak of war, Neville Chamberlain, did not want a conflict between Britain and Germany.

Whenever a far-right party in Britain threatens the cosy (not to mention, corrupt) liberal consensus, the myths of Dunkirk, "Britain standing alone", etc, as perpetuated by comic books, endless war films and replays of Churchill's overrated speeches, are wheeled out.

My grandfathers fought the Nazis in WW2. My maternal grandfather was one of the first British soldiers to cross the Rhine in 1945. I'm proud of the role that they played. But I know my history and won't have my sentiments manipulated, with emotive appeals to a mythical past, by a self-serving elite.

The Establishment of this country is alienating too many British people. The day of reckoning is fast approaching. Bring it on.

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

So are you saying that no old age pensioner who fought in World War II has ever voted or been a member of the BNP

Of course not. Lots of nazi's fought in the last war.

 

[coventrygull]

Britain would have fought Germany in 1939 whatever the nature of the regime in Germany. We went to war in 1914 (on the pretext of protecting the sovereignty of Belgium) because German industrial might was undermining Britain's share of world trade. Of course, the British dressed up what amounted to an opportunity to protect Imperial trade as a moral crusade, but the reality was that Germany was not a military threat to Britain in 1914. Moreover, in 1914, the British went to war with the slogan "making the world safe for democracy", when Germany's system of government was more democratic than was the British.

In 1939, under a national-socialist regime, German economic and industrial might again threatened to leave Britain behind, so she had to be defeated. Yes, we fought a country which was governed by a fascist regime, but we did not go to war with Germany simply because it was governed so. Indeed, the British prime minister at the outbreak of war, Neville Chamberlain, did not want a conflict between Britain and Germany.

Whenever a far-right party in Britain threatens the cosy (not to mention, corrupt) liberal consensus, the myths of Dunkirk, "Britain standing alone", etc, as perpetuated by comic books, endless war films and replays of Churchill's overrated speeches, are wheeled out.

My grandfathers fought the Nazis in WW2. My maternal grandfather was one of the first British soldiers to cross the Rhine in 1945. I'm proud of the role that they played. But I know my history and won't have my sentiments manipulated, with emotive appeals to a mythical past, by a self-serving elite.

The Establishment of this country is alienating too many British people. The day of reckoning is fast approaching. Bring it on.

 

[coventrygull]

Of course not. Lots of nazi's fought in the last war.

Its quite an interesting fact that the first British casualties of World War II were BUF members. Also one BUF member who helped in the evacuation of Dunkirk was arrested and interned on his return.

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

Britain would have fought Germany in 1939 whatever the nature of the regime in Germany. We went to war in 1914 (on the pretext of protecting the sovereignty of Belgium) because German industrial might was undermining Britain's share of world trade. Of course, the British dressed up what amounted to an opportunity to protect Imperial trade as a moral crusade, but the reality was that Germany was not a military threat to Britain in 1914. Moreover, in 1914, the British went to war with the slogan "making the world safe for democracy", when Germany's system of government was more democratic than was the British.

In 1939, under a national-socialist regime, German economic and industrial might again threatened to leave Britain behind, so she had to be defeated. Yes, we fought a country which was governed by a fascist regime, but we did not go to war with Germany simply because it was governed so. Indeed, the British prime minister at the outbreak of war, Neville Chamberlain, did not want a conflict between Britain and Germany.

And at the end of WWI I would think many were still unclear why they had fought and whether the fight had been worthwhile. I doubt that was the case after WWII.

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

Its quite an interesting fact that the first British casualties of World War II were BUF members. Also one BUF member who helped in the evacuation of Dunkirk was arrested and interned on his return.

I meant for the Germans.

 

[coventrygull]

I meant for the Germans.

What have the Germans or nazis have to do with the BNP. National socialism was an ideology specific to the German people. Have you read Mein Kamp?

 

[Hungry Joe]

So you insult people with dementia?

Priceless, you've just admitted that to be identified as a BNP supporter is an insult. Keep digging.

Oh, and it's Mein Kampf by the way.

 

[Hungry Joe]

What have the Germans or nazis have to do with the BNP.

The German people = nothing
Nazis = a great deal

Are you really in that much denial?

 

[coventrygull]

Priceless, you've just admitted that to be identified as a BNP supporter is an insult. Keep digging.

Oh, and it's Mein Kampf by the way.

Oh so I missed of the F.

No you were taking the piss out of people with dementia. Not very nice really.

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

What have the Germans or nazis have to do with the BNP. National socialism was an ideology specific to the German people. Have you read Mein Kamp?

It was a joke. I have not read Mein Kamp. Life is far too short to read the work of a mad man.

However I do tend to associate the nazi salute with the BNP.

 

[clapham_gull]

..the myths of Dunkirk, "Britain standing alone", etc, as perpetuated by comic books, endless war films and replays of Churchill's overrated speeches, are wheeled out.....
... know my history and won't have my sentiments manipulated, with emotive appeals to a mythical past, by a self-serving elite.

Beautifully, written nearly brought a tear to the eye. The irony of course being that the only group using the above as propaganda these days are the far right parties.

Do keep up.

 

[Hungry Joe]

Oh so I missed of the F.

No you were taking the piss out of people with dementia. Not very nice really.

Was I? Thanks for clearing that up.

Still, the BNP, not very nice really.

 

[Tom Bombadil]

Moreover, in 1914, the British went to war with the slogan "making the world safe for democracy", when Germany's system of government was more democratic than was the British.

I'm sorry but this is simply not true. The German government at this point was led by the Kaiser, not by the chancellor and the reichstag. At the outbreak of War Wilhelm had a level of influence over German politics which would simply not have been tolerated in Britain

 

[coventrygull]

It was a joke. I have not read Mein Kamp. Life is far too short to read the work of a mad man.

However I do tend to associate the nazi salute with the BNP.

To be honest the old BNP was fall of wanna be Nutzis. Its difficult to compare the old BNP to the new. If you want a good read try "Contemporary British Fascism. The British National Party and the quest for legitimacy." Its a fair account

 

[coventrygull]

Was I? Thanks for clearing that up.

Still, the BNP, not very nice really.

Labour, Conservative, Lib Dems. Not very nice really