Teacher from Ringmer.... 15 year old pupil - LOST & FOUND

[Cheshire Cat]

This is the LAW in England ...

Section 16 of the Sexual Offences Act 2003:-

16 Abuse of position of trust: sexual activity with a child.

(1) A person aged 18 or over (A) commits an offence if— .

(a)he intentionally touches another person (B), .
(b)the touching is sexual, .
(c)A is in a position of trust in relation to B, .
(d)where subsection (2) applies, A knows or could reasonably be expected to know of the circumstances by virtue of which he is in a position of trust in relation to B, and .
(e)either— .
(i)B is under 18 and A does not reasonably believe that B is 18 or over, or .
(ii)B is under 13.

(2) This subsection applies where A— .

(a)is in a position of trust in relation to B by virtue of circumstances within section 21(2), (3), (4) or (5), and .
(b)is not in such a position of trust by virtue of other circumstances.


Section 21(5) is this:-

(5) This subsection applies if A looks after persons under 18 who are receiving education at an educational institution and B is receiving, and A is not receiving, education at that institution.

Bang to rights m'lud

 

[El Presidente]

This is the LAW in England ...

Section 16 of the Sexual Offences Act 2003:-

16 Abuse of position of trust: sexual activity with a child.

(1) A person aged 18 or over (A) commits an offence if— .

(a)he intentionally touches another person (B), .
(b)the touching is sexual, .
(c)A is in a position of trust in relation to B, .
(d)where subsection (2) applies, A knows or could reasonably be expected to know of the circumstances by virtue of which he is in a position of trust in relation to B, and .
(e)either— .
(i)B is under 18 and A does not reasonably believe that B is 18 or over, or .
(ii)B is under 13.

(2) This subsection applies where A— .

(a)is in a position of trust in relation to B by virtue of circumstances within section 21(2), (3), (4) or (5), and .
(b)is not in such a position of trust by virtue of other circumstances.


Section 21(5) is this:-

(5) This subsection applies if A looks after persons under 18 who are receiving education at an educational institution and B is receiving, and A is not receiving, education at that institution.

I would also point out that if a university lecturer has sexual relations with a student, he/she would be dismissed for 'gross moral turpitude'.

 

[User removed 4]

But she still has Human Rights, rightly or wrongly.

Yes she does, but as far as i'm concerned , its up to her parents or some other adult to decide.

 

[BensGrandad]

Yes she does, but as far as i'm concerned , its up to her parents or some other adult to decide.

That may well be the case as she is legally still a minor. Even if not I wouldn't want to be the solicitor fighting it for her if it was on a no win no fee basis.

 

[Lord Bracknell]

The very fact that you've stated this says it all about "human rights" legislation, she's a child you f***ing clown.

Not HIS human rights. HERS.

 

[Lord Bracknell]

I would also point out that if a university lecturer has sexual relations with a student, he/she would be dismissed for 'gross moral turpitude'.

An offence that has been worded to SOUND dirty.

 

[crabface]

Was obvious that they where not going to last long after the European arrest warrant was issused. From what i have read, they ran away because he was about to get suspended and potentially arrested.

He is/was a teacher and knows the rules that you cannot have a relationship with a student. Surely a little bit of self power and he could have told himself it was wrong when it started. Now he will have nothing.

 

[Cheshire Cat]

May start a massive binfest here, but is he really a "paedo"? As in, "likes abusing children"....

Assuming this is his only "incident", probably not.

When I was at University I knew at least three girls who had slept/relationships with their teachers, although they would have been 18 when I met them (don't remember how old they would have been at the start). All of them left and went back home within their first term - (to be with "boyfriend"?). No idea what happened to them afterwards.

 

[User removed 4]

Not HIS human rights. HERS.

Thats exactly what i'm on about , shes a f***ing kid , its up to adults to decide about " human rights" for fucks sake.

 

[Washie]

Stop it!

Leave me alone, i'm an idiot

 

[Cheshire Cat]

I would also point out that if a university lecturer has sexual relations with a student, he/she would be dismissed for 'gross moral turpitude'.

I don't think I've ever "turpited" anyone. Wasn't that a WW2 german battleship?

 

[Lord Bracknell]

I would also point out that if a university lecturer has sexual relations with a student, he/she would be dismissed for 'gross moral turpitude'.

Incidentally, El P, does this apply if the student is over a certain age limit - say 21? And when was this provision brought in?

I've known several instances, some of them involving well known people - both lecturers and students - where "student fiddling" was going on.

 

[Cheshire Cat]

Incidentally, El P, does this apply if the student is over a certain age limit - say 21? And when was this provision brought in?

I've known several instances, some of them involving well known people - both lecturers and students - where "student fiddling" was going on.

You wouldn't have been fired in the 1980s

 

[Seagull58]

Is she a child? Yes.. And if they has sexual relations then id say yea he is...

I see where you are coming from hardly the same as someone abusing a 2 year old.. but he is in the rules that would convict him as a paedo... plus he has totally abused his position of trust as a teacher...

He's not a paedo unless he has a prediliction for sex with young children. 15 is nearly 16 and the age of consent is arbitrary. In France its 15. In Egypt it is, or used to be 12, and Jerry Lee Lewis legally married his 13 year old cousin in the US (Southern States of course!).I'm not condoning what he did but IMO it sure isn't paedophilia.

 

[Chesney Christ]

No, he's not a paedo, the medical (and only correct) definition of the word is "Someone who is sexually attracted to pre-pubescent children". That definition doesn't apply to the vast majority of 15 year olds.

I guess that was my point.

 

[Lord Bracknell]

Thats exactly what i'm on about , shes a f***ing kid , its up to adults to decide about " human rights" for fucks sake.

No it's not. The UK is a signatory to the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child.

UNICEF - Convention on the Rights of the Child -

The UK ratified the Convention on the Rights of the Child (UNCRC) on 16 December 1991.


And I didn't say that Megan Stammers had any particular right to run off with her teacher. I merely wondered whether she might think that she had, and whether she might consider asserting what she thought was a right, through the courts.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Do you have any idea of the information required for an Ofsted inspection?

Yes thank you, my ex-wife is a teacher.

 

[Seagull58]

That's if they did not have sexual relations.. i reckon they have.. dont you??

Under 16 in a minor... and if he had sexual relations... although it doesnt quite seem right.. he can be classed as a paedo

I would bet there is more than 1 person on this board who has had sex with a 15 year old girl. I know at least 2 of my old school friends did and I certainly wouldn't consider them to be paedophiles.

 

[cloud]

Jeremy Forrest, the married teacher missing with his teenage pupil, might not have been identified under a new law that comes into force next week.

Teachers will become the first group of people in British legal history to be given automatic anonymity when they are accused of a criminal offence.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/09/28/megan-stammers-missing-new-anonymity-law-protect-identity-teachers-criminal-cases_n_1922016.html

 

[BHA Swiifty]

I would bet there is more than 1 person on this board who has had sex with a 15 year old girl. I know at least 2 of my old school friends did and I certainly wouldn't consider them to be paedophiles.

yes, but where they 30 at the time?