Portsmouth Wound up tomorrow wed?

[Southover Street Seagull]

It needs saying though and I agree with him. And, like you say, we ENDURED the shit. We didn't try (too much) to spend money we didn't have in order to maintain a too-high league position - despite many calls on here for Knight to 'open his chequebook'.

Football needs a big club to go bust and re-form, preferably several. Not llittle, insignificant ones like Aldershot, Accrington, Chester or even Brighton, but a decent-sized one like Portsmouth. I truly believe it's the 'least worse' option for football in general as the financial problems aren't going to solve themselves.

Perhaps you are correct that a big club needs to go bust so that football may take a good hard look at itself. The thing that I didn't like about Albion Dan's post was this:

In fact if they go under it massively widens our catchment all the way to the West Sussex/Hampshire border.


That sounds just like Premier League profiteering to me.

 

[Chicken Runner61]

As much as its not nice to see fans lose their club I think that we may have to let Palace, Portsmouth & Cardiff go so that everyone learns an important lesson from this.

Clubs should not be owned by organisations or individuals that want to either make money or egos out of supporters passions.

Its why glory hunting is wrong

 

[little al]

Earliest court date gives them 9 days.

 

[pasty]

I get the distinct impression watching SSN that they are almost disappointed Pompey haven't been wound up. A sense of anti-climax almost for their top story.

 

[Southover Street Seagull]

Oh give over, all that will happen is they have to start again down in the lower leagues (heaven forbid as low as we are).The very worst that will happen is they start again under the name Mouth of Port FC or something.They'll still be there, playing football on some local rec somewhere locally (if they really love their club).As Albion Dan says, Brightons catchment could extend into Bognor, and onwards, at their expense.
DOWN I say.

There is no guarantee that if they went out of business that they would reform, have you got a crystal ball?

 

[Chicken Runner61]

11.5M is a lot of tax to owe


And then there is Avrams massage bills to cover on top of that

 

[Brovion]

I guess I'm the only one who doesn't want them to die then, ah well...

Wrong. Totally and utterly wrong. NONE of us want Portsmouth FC to die. We simply want an end to this 'cheating' that the big clubs get away with - and has the side effect of making football more expensive at places like Withdean.

If Portsmouth FC is simply a load of share certificates and records at Companies House, then yes, it might die - and good riddance to it. But if, as we always say, the club is the fans then Portsmouth FC will NEVER die all the while the fans don't want it to. They'll have to start again the same way that many other clubs have had to do before them - but there will still be a Portsmouth FC. (The same way as we'd have carried on if we'd gone bust, even if our circumstances were slightly different).

 

[Braders]

interesting list
THE DAILY LIST
COMPANIES COURT

Court 56

Fifth Floor
Thomas More Building

Before

REGISTRAR DERRETT

on

Wednesday 10 February 2010

ROBED

at


10:30 am


7661 /2007 Public Private Associates Limited
14388 /2009 Steve's Car Hire Limited
15181 /2009 Trustbuild (Northern) Ltd
15713 /2009 Liaison Restaurant
16131 /2009 Hinckley United Football Club Limited
16365 /2009 Vincent Doherty & Co
17293 /2009 Gruppem Investments PLC
17342 /2009 Glaisdale Storage Limited
17351 /2009 A & C Pumps (Sales) Limited
17420 /2009 The Gourmet Mushroom Company Limited
17445 /2009 Arcadiam Associates Limited
17628 /2009 Propinvest 3 Limited
17629 /2009 Propinvest 2 Limited
17803 /2009 PTC Communications & Security Limited
17923 /2009 Trident Accountancy Limited
18099 /2009 Turners of Lancashire Limited
18541 /2009 Aspland Limited
18581 /2009 Micromedia UK Limited
18753 /2009 Raphael Executive Cars Limited
18824 /2009 Fullflow Group Limited
18996 /2009 Fisher Productions Limited
19085 /2009 Par Precision and Production Engineering
19219 /2009 Millenium Hardwood Ltd
19569 /2009 Bigbury Bay Inns Limited
19584 /2009 Alics Limited
20137 /2009 Brooker Brothers Limited
20148 /2009 Charlotte Homes (Surrey) Limited
20149 /2009 Tower Archival & Facility Services Ltd
20160 /2009 Comcarenet AMS Ltd
20163 /2009 Storm Land & Estates Limited
20202 /2009 House of Cards Limited
20225 /2009 Gary Bayley Limited
20233 /2009 Lambs Support Services Limited
20238 /2009 Well Groomed Laundry Services Limited
20249 /2009 J2 Security
20276 /2009 Azur Distribution Limited
20278 /2009 Sunrise Express Ltd
20291 /2009 St. John Spencer Estates & Developments Limited
20302 /2009 E.M. Capital Ltd
20316 /2009 Poptops Limited
20362 /2009 Associate Interiors (Projects) Limited
20398 /2009 Procom I.T. Solutions Limited
20467 /2009 BLV Realty Group II Ltd
20514 /2009 Jass Properties Limited
20550 /2009 Pest Control Solutions Ltd
20558 /2009 Alpha Bearing Limited
20564 /2009 Woodsetton Steels Limited
20592 /2009 Drinks Inn Restaurant Limited
20607 /2009 Penshaw Estates Limited
20619 /2009 Noah's Workshop Limited
20638 /2009 Festive Impact Lighting Limited
20648 /2009 L. Longford Limited
20729 /2009 Hesse Developments Limited
20740 /2009 Thom Engineering Limited
20745 /2009 Caged Manufacturing Limited
20752 /2009 DRI Events Ltd
20791 /2009 Intelligent Property Purchase Limited
21011 /2009 Graphic Industry Credit Information Ltd
21154 /2009 Totem Event Limited
21190 /2009 Acorn Energy Limited
21212 /2009 Bicol Servicing Company Limited
21311 /2009 H & C Construction & Development Limited
21347 /2009 Feathers On Ltd
21388 /2009 Etech Group Europe Limited
21428 /2009 1 Cheyne Walk Residents Association Limited
21441 /2009 Taylor M.E. Limited
21493 /2009 Velvet Art Limited
21533 /2009 Rapid Response
21534 /2009 Ash Vale Ranges
21691 /2009 The Lion Hotel & The Royal Hotel
21837 /2009 Euro Vision Services LTD
21853 /2009 S G S Landscapes And Forestry
21868 /2009 City Properties United (UK) Limited
21876 /2009 The Brighton Football Club (R.F.U.) Limited
21877 /2009 Scott's Group Limited
21879 /2009 Nightingale Grange Care Home Limited
21880 /2009 DJB Building Ltd
21881 /2009 Allfloors4less Limited
21882 /2009 Breckland Tiles Limited
21885 /2009 Stewart Macdonald Ltd
21886 /2009 Sunny Construction Limited
21889 /2009 Passion Nights Limited
21890 /2009 Attain Developments Limited


Not before 11:00 am

21893 /2009 Baron Solutions Limited
21898 /2009 Chorlton Joinery (UK) Limited
21900 /2009 Truelink Management Limited
21904 /2009 Scorpion Racing (UK) Limited
21906 /2009 Astoria Accociates Limited
21907 /2009 McNamara Building Services Limited
21909 /2009 Gold 12 General Partner Limited
21915 /2009 Gold 12 Property Plus LP
21923 /2009 GCI Banking Ltd
21930 /2009 SAI International Limited
21934 /2009 The Exchange Bar Company Limited
21935 /2009 Dal Utilities Limited
21936 /2009 Linmar Scaffolding Limited
21937 /2009 DBM Electrical, Plumbing & Heating Ltd
21938 /2009 Architects Corporation Limited
21939 /2009 BLV Realty Organization Limited
21940 /2009 Bridgen (Ten) Limited
21941 /2009 Corries International Limited
21954 /2009 Hammel (UK) Limited
21957 /2009 Start Bristol Limited
21958 /2009 Borough of London Decorators Limited
21959 /2009 Smart and Kleen Limited
21963 /2009 Site Matters Limited
21964 /2009 Tudol International Limited
21965 /2009 Green Structural Ltd
21966 /2009 Pleasant Homes Limited
21968 /2009 Ultimate Investments Limited
21969 /2009 Paul Anthony Scully & Desmond Daniel Moore - T/A Scully & Scully
21979 /2009 Fernwave Ireland Limited
21985 /2009 Gone To Hell Limited
21993 /2009 Fencrest Enterprises Limited
22000 /2009 Minorplanet Limited
22003 /2009 Abseiling Property Maintenance Limited
22005 /2009 Advanced Guards (UK) Limited
22006 /2009 Windows Are Us Ltd
22007 /2009 The Ferry Inn (Stratford) Limited
22008 /2009 Goldmoor Enterprises Limited
22011 /2009 Thornton Electrical (Bristol) Limited
22013 /2009 Multitrax UK Limited
22014 /2009 Maidstone Marquee Hire Co. Limited
22016 /2009 Call Performance Limited
22018 /2009 Globalscs Limited
22022 /2009 AJB Scaffolding Limited
22023 /2009 Saverstones Cash & Carry Limited
22024 /2009 Altair Technologies Limited
22025 /2009 Flow Rod Limited
22026 /2009 Acme Facilities Management (Edinburgh) Limited
22027 /2009 Pioneer Freight Futures Company Limited
22032 /2009 Tigercom Limited
22033 /2009 Comprehensive Electrical Solutions Limited
22034 /2009 Adtech Services (UK) Ltd
22035 /2009 Davenport Control & Instrumentation Limited
22036 /2009 Excel Imports & Exports Limited
22037 /2009 M.B.W. (Heathrow) Limited
22038 /2009 Smooth Limited
22039 /2009 Amy International Artists Limited
22047 /2009 Fast Moving Signage Company Limited
22052 /2009 D & R Drylining Limited
22054 /2009 R & D Machinery Limited
22057 /2009 Motor Sport Developments Limited
22060 /2009 Clarke Development Corporation Limited
22061 /2009 D & D Retail Limited
22063 /2009 Floorz Hardwood Flooring Limited
22065 /2009 Leeks (DIY) Limited
22066 /2009 M.E. Hamilton Limited
22067 /2009 Earlswood Court Ltd
22069 /2009 J H Driving Services Limited
22073 /2009 La Bodega Lounge Bar Limited
22074 /2009 Corporate Vending Systems Limited
22077 /2009 1st Scaffolding (South West) Limited
22078 /2009 Forge Plant Limited
22081 /2009 Braylex Limited
22084 /2009 Authenti-C8 Ltd
22085 /2009 Provident Capital Limited
22087 /2009 Villa Neumann Limited
22088 /2009 UK Project Services Limited
22089 /2009 Sealed Units (UK) Limited
22092 /2009 Mike Duxbury Associates Ltd
22093 /2009 Covenant Family Assets Company Limited
22094 /2009 Creative Education (Interim) Limited


Not before 11:30 am

22097 /2009 FM2 Limited
22098 /2009 Connaught Artists Management Ltd
22101 /2009 MJS Cleaning Contractors Limited
22104 /2009 C & D Property Investments Limited
22105 /2009 Access Capital Limited
22106 /2009 Taylor Construction (Bath) Limited
22108 /2009 Gredan Limited
22109 /2009 Essex Beer Limited
22110 /2009 Deneside Catholic Social Club Limited
22111 /2009 Lanman Asset Management Ltd
22115 /2009 Premier Plastering Contractors Ltd
22116 /2009 K.O.L UK Limited
22117 /2009 Steve Vincent Builders Limited
22123 /2009 Roseberry Yarmouth Limited
22133 /2009 The Bell Inn (Yarpole) Limited
22137 /2009 Datacomms Europe Limited
22139 /2009 Univest Corporation Limited
22142 /2009 Riverside Developments (Leicester) Limited
22146 /2009 F10 Limited
22148 /2009 World Class Stallions Limited
22149 /2009 Huguentos Catering Services Ltd
22150 /2009 Alzheimer's UK Research Education and Care Limited
22155 /2009 M.J. O'Connor (Bristol) Limited
22157 /2009 Shaheen Knitwear Limited
22160 /2009 Barrack Homes (UK) Limited
22161 /2009 Roe Brickwork Limited
22166 /2009 Tawe Coachbuilders Limited
22170 /2009 Primary Colours London Limited
22172 /2009 Harley Dental Clinics (Folkstone) Limited
22177 /2009 LGW Engineering Limited
22179 /2009 Smith Lance Larcade & Bechtol Architects Limited
22180 /2009 Portsmouth City Football Club Limited
313 /2010 Portsmouth City Football Club Limited
22181 /2009 Southend United Football Club Limited (The)
22182 /2009 Cardiff City Football Club Limited
22184 /2009 Mr. Yunus Patel and Mrs. Zebun Patel
22196 /2009 Anderson & Co Solicitors
22197 /2009 Stonework Imports Limited
22198 /2009 A1 Holdings Limited
22209 /2009 Ruby M's Limited
22210 /2009 A H Racing Limited
22212 /2009 Shimlas Limited
22213 /2009 Deepcar Concrete Limited
22214 /2009 Petrarch Holdings Limited
22215 /2009 Ivor Street Limited
22216 /2009 Redworth Construction Limited
22217 /2009 True Blue (Brighton Road) Developments Limited
22218 /2009 Richard Mander Developments Limited
22222 /2009 Myring & Heward Limited
22224 /2009 Wellcare (Eversleigh) Limited
22228 /2009 Blackburn Electrical Supplies Ltd
22230 /2009 Solar Security Limited
22231 /2009 Trinity Insurance Company Limited
22232 /2009 Quality Pipe Solutions Limited
22233 /2009 Hopeside Hotel
22234 /2009 Gear Cut (UK) Limited
22235 /2009 Candelabra Limited
22236 /2009 Dennis Richard Robin Powell & Mrs Susan Ann Powell T/A Guardian Window Cleaning Services
22237 /2009 UKHD Investments Limited
22238 /2009 American Lawyer Media International Limited
22239 /2009 Zeki Productions Limited
22240 /2009 Bellview Airlines Limited
22241 /2009 Impact Applications Limited
22245 /2009 E.B Services Limited
22248 /2009 Citytex (U.K.) Limited
22252 /2009 Davis & Co (Solicitors) Limited
22254 /2009 The Chequers Pub
22258 /2009 Vincent Shoe Store Limited
22259 /2009 Averhill Partnership Limited
98 /2010 RJ's Leisure Ltd

 

[Napper]

I want Portsmouth to die !

Shame they got it extended, they will be saved I'm sure .

Bastards

 

[little al]

Wrong. Totally and utterly wrong. NONE of us want Portsmouth FC to die. We simply want an end to this 'cheating' that the big clubs get away with - and has the side effect of making football more expensive at places like Withdean.

If Portsmouth FC is simply a load of share certificates and records at Companies House, then yes, it might die - and good riddance to it. But if, as we always say, the club is the fans then Portsmouth FC will NEVER die all the while the fans don't want it to. They'll have to start again the same way that many other clubs have had to do before them - but there will still be a Portsmouth FC. (The same way as we'd have carried on if we'd gone bust, even if our circumstances were slightly different).

Good post

 

[Brovion]

Perhaps you are correct that a big club needs to go bust so that football may take a good hard look at itself. The thing that I didn't like about Albion Dan's post was this:

In fact if they go under it massively widens our catchment all the way to the West Sussex/Hampshire border.


That sounds just like Premier League profiteering to me.

Yeah, fair comment on the catchment area quote. It's a bit like when we were struggliung and Charlton started trying to encroach in our territory.

 

[Insel affe]

Earliest court date gives them 9 days.

This is what pisses me right off, all this delaying.......

you either have the money in place or you dont, If i dont pay and bailiffs or whoever take me to court, do i get an adjournment because someone may give me some money in a weeks time, i doubt it. Think how many buisness may have gone to the wall, or had to lay staff off because they aint paid bills etc.

 

[Southover Street Seagull]

This sort of thing can't continue but do points deductions really act as a deterrent to some of the risk takers and gamblers that pass themselves off as football club directors and chairmen?
How about if you want to be a director or chairman of any professional football club, you have to place a substantial amount of money with either the Premier League or Football League? This money would be then taken off you in the event of your club going into administration.
Perhaps by punishing the directors and chairman personally and not the club as a whole is the answer?

 

[Gazwag]

11.5M is a lot of tax to owe

Havent read this thread but that must all be VAT and/or PAYE - all of which is collected initially so poor financial management is the cause anybody who goes under owing these sort of taxes can only blame themselves

 

[little al]

This is what pisses me right off, all this delaying.......

you either have the money in place or you dont, If i dont pay and bailiffs or whoever take me to court, do i get an adjournment because someone may give me some money in a weeks time, i doubt it. Think how many buisness may have gone to the wall, or had to lay staff off because they aint paid bills etc.

They are hanging on for their parachute payments.

Out of interest, if they did go bust, where would the money allocated for the parachute payment go?

 

[Keeping The Dream Alive.]

It may sound wrong, but I hope they go bust for the good of football. Hopefully it would have some implications, although I doubt the twats at the Premier League will do anything to make the system better. As it stands things are very wrong. Unfortunately there are a lot of people who can't see this - largely younger fans (and some ignorant older fans) engrossed by everything Sky tells them. Portsmouth (and hopefully other 'bigger' clubs) crashing will show people that all is not well.

A sorry state of affairs that English football needs a club to go out of business before it learns a lesson. Sorry, sorry state.

 

[Chicken Runner61]

This isn't Gillingham too is it??

21969 /2009 Paul Anthony Scully & Desmond Daniel Moore - T/A Scully & Scully

And this is Palace in disguise surely?

21985 /2009 Gone To Hell Limited

 

[little al]

It may sound wrong, but I hope they go bust for the good of football. Hopefully it would have some implications, although I doubt the twats at the Premier League will do anything to make the system better. As it stands things are very wrong. Unfortunately there are a lot of people who can't see this - largely younger fans (and some ignorant older fans) engrossed by everything Sky tells them. Portsmouth (and hopefully other 'bigger' clubs) crashing will show people that all is not well.

A sorry state of affairs that English football needs a club to go out of business before it learns a lesson. Sorry, sorry state.

Problem is, Pompey, although in the prem, are not a big club. It will take a long term established prem club to fold before anyone takes notice. Sadly, I think even if Man U went, nobody will give a f***.

 

[sten_super]

So, going on the BBC article, Portsmouth owe £7.4m of unpaid VAT, part of which they are in dispute about, plus a further £4.7m in unpaid PAYE/NI. The court registrar suspects the club in insolvent, and HMRC are 'sure' that the club is. I can't possibly see how they can complete a takeover in 7 days, so surely they will simply submit their 'statement of financial affairs' next Wednesday and then, when it becomes clear they are trading insolvently, be wound up on the Friday?

What a complete mess.

 

[Acker79]

I think it's more likely that the Premier league would some how find a way to ensure they can continue their current practice, while avoiding the repurcussions of debt.