Police 'find blood on walls of Madeleine abduction flat'

[Robot Chicken]

Does it? Surely if this was her favourite teddy, she would want to take it with her and would be kicking and screaming to have it back. I can't imagine the 'kidnapper' would have a chance to place it calmly on the shelf if (s)he was intending to take the kid as quickly as possible? If you want to ensure that you can placate a child, then a teddy bear is a very good option.

Chloroform? Was this an opportunist kidnapping or was the perpetrator prepared? Some reports say Maddie was kidnapped to order.

The window of opportunity was 5 minutes. I don't think it would be possible to kill someone and clean up the mess within that time period.

 

[Barrel of Fun]

Chloroform? Was this an opportunist kidnapping or was the perpetrator prepared? Some reports say Maddie was kidnapped to order.

The window of opportunity was 5 minutes. I don't think it would be possible to kill someone and clean up the mess within that time period.

I was trying to pick holes in your statement, as I don't think the teddybear being placed on the window sill proves anything other than someone was in the room or a cover up was attempted. The sceptic might say that it was a very convenient bit of evidence.

It would be quite easy to kill a small child. There are a variety of ways, I am sure, to kill a child without spilling (much) blood.

However, why would someone want a dead child? I don't see how someone would break in and kill a child, then take the body.

Chloroform is definitely a possiblity, however, kids of that age are very trusting and I am sure it would be quite easy to say "I am taking you too your parents" leaving enough time to get clear of the resort.

 

[Bozza]

I was trying to pick holes in your statement, as I don't think the teddybear being placed on the window sill proves anything other than someone was in the room or a cover up was attempted. The sceptic might say that it was a very convenient bit of evidence.

It would be quite easy to kill a small child. There are a variety of ways, I am sure, to kill a child without spilling (much) blood.

However, why would someone want a dead child? I don't see how someone would break in and kill a child, then take the body.

Chloroform is definitely a possiblity, however, kids of that age are very trusting and I am sure it would be quite easy to say "I am taking you too your parents" leaving enough time to get clear of the resort.

Can we call you Robert, or does it have to be Mr Murat?

 

[Barrel of Fun]

Can we call you Robert, or does it have to be Mr Murat?

I was drawing from books and documentaries that I have read and watched, respectively.

I think people are underestimating how easy it would be to 'nullify' a small child without leaving a scene or carnage. I don't think anything points to the fact that she was either dead or alive when she left the bedroom, but then I am not an expert on the matter.

 

[Bozza]

I was drawing from books and documentaries that I have read and watched, respectively.

I think people are underestimating how easy it would be to 'nullify' a small child without leaving a scene or carnage. I don't think anything points to the fact that she was either dead or alive when she left the bedroom, but then I am not an expert on the matter.

Speaking from experience of my own little Mads (currently aged 4), I think if anyone were to pick her up, as she slept in bed, and leg it - then she'd not say a thing. It has constantly amazed me how Mads will sleep through pretty much anything when very tired. Maybe we all do, I don't know, but I've not watched anyone sleeping anywhere near as much as I have that little person.

 

[Bozza]

What do folk think of this photo?

 

[hans kraay fan club]

I think it is ODD

 

[Yorkie]

That said, I assume I'm not the only one who finds it strange that possible blood traces are found, and sent for examination, over 3 months after the disappearance?

Who is to say the blood has anything to do with Madeleine at all. It may have even been there from previous occupants prior to the McCanns arriving. All that has been said is that attempts had been made to clean it off.


Why didn't the police seal the room immediately after the incident and do forensics straight away? Surely 3 months later everything is contaminated.

 

[Bozza]

Who is to say the blood has anything to do with Madeleine at all.

I don't know - who has? Not me, anyway.

It may have even been there from previous occupants prior to the McCanns arriving.

Of course it may.

Regardless - 3 months or so seems to be an awfully long time, to this particular layman, to be undertaking new forensic examinations.

 

[clapham_gull]

What interesting about this thread (and pretty much everything else that has been written and broadcast about the subject) is that is shows how conspiracy theories develop.

No-one on here (including me) knows anything really about the case. I've lost count of the conflicting accounts I've read today in the newspapers. One newspaper had an exclusive saying the DNA reports showed the blood wasn't the girls, but every other newspapers seems to conclude the opposite.

I was talking about it tonight with friends and honestly I find it hard to have an opinion on it. I don't find the campaign itself particularly odd to be honest. With the few contacts I have I could probably initiate something similiar and watch it snowball. I suspect many on here would do the same. Even posting it on here would see the story get picked up by other messageboards etc...

Now the media spotlight is on the family is must be difficult to take themselves away from it, wondering if they did that the impetus would stop.

 

[clapham_gull]

I don't know - who has? Not me, anyway.



Of course it may.

Regardless - 3 months or so seems to be an awfully long time, to this particular layman, to be undertaking new forensic examinations.

Yep, but I heard on the radio this morning from a UK Police Officer (I believe involved to a certain degree) that the UK Police have been trying hard to offer their help but the Portuguese Police said they didn't need it.

It's the UK Police's involvement that lead to the discovery with specialist dogs.

It seems that the laws in Portugal mean that not only do they not have to deal with the media (because of the laws) but also when they do, they aren't particularly experienced in doing so.

I put alot of it down to that to be honest, they just aren't very good at dealing with the press and they are up against the UK tabloids and we all know what they will do to get a story.

A point was made that the Portuguese Police knew that a lot of coverage was about to happen due to the 100 days. The may have been "advised" to start talking by certain journalists to take the heat of them. I think when all those is over one way or the other, it will be interesting to see how much the involvement of the UK press has lead to the conflicting accounts.

 

[Bad Ash]

What do folk think of this photo?

I think that t-shirt belongs to a right fat fucker...

 

[leonidas]

I think that t-shirt belongs to a right fat fucker...

OI! looks about the right size for me.

Strange, they look like they're promoting the latest addition to they're summer clothing range. Still, how can any of us know how we would act in the same situation.

 

[Buzzer]

You really do talk SHIT at times.

then please elaborate, oh great-brained one.

To both you and Bozza - I think that it's hypocritical to condemn abusive stuff on one website and then post an abusive cartoon on another. What's funny about the 'alleged' murder of a 3 year old and using a children's book to make light of the fact that some people think their father did it - even though the police have said HE IS NOT a suspect.

I'd say that was sick. I'd say that was hypocritical.

Care to explain why I shouldn't hold this view?

 

[Buzzer]

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[Johnny Crumplin Football]

What do folk think of this photo?

Why are they smiling?

 

[hans kraay fan club]

That is why I found it ODD.

 

[Bevendean Hillbilly]

Why are they smiling?

Would I?,... if I were them,...ever,...under any circumstances,...ever


No.

 

[John Dorian]

That is why I found it ODD.

I'm in the same boat as you HKFC...Something just doesnt make sense.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

I'm in the same boat as you HKFC...Something just doesnt make sense.

I'm not making any aspertions. I have a completely open mind on the whole situation. I just find that happy, smiley photo a bit strange.