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[News] Middle East conflict



Feb 23, 2009
24,034
Brighton factually.....
Presumably because they were in the immediate vicinity of the Hezbollah operatives who were in possession of the pagers.
Actually when you say Hezbollah operative, you do realise that some folks will be coerced into doing things like lookouts, storage etc because of where they live or job and not necessarily be a member or supporter of Hezbollah don't you !
 






aolstudios

Well-known member
Nov 30, 2011
5,080
brighton
while following some rules of war accepted at the time, we did a lot of things we dont find acceptable today. maybe at least try to address the question without resorting to whataboutery.
That's not whataboutery.
I'm highlighting that there doesn't seem to be any means that Jews are allowed to defend themselves against a foe whose stated aim is to kill them all.
This is defence against a war of annihilation. On several fronts. Maiming your enemy's combatants is kind of normal in war.
But unacceptable for Jews, evidently
 


Seagull58

In the Algarve
Jan 31, 2012
8,223
Vilamoura, Portugal
that is ok then, phew.....
At no point have I commented on whether it's ok or not. Are collateral civilian deaths ever OK in a military operation? I'm sure that can be debated for ever with many examples from history. The point I'm making is that Mossad did not target civilians and did not make an untargetted attack. They went after Hezbollah operational targets.
 






Seagull58

In the Algarve
Jan 31, 2012
8,223
Vilamoura, Portugal
Why do people these days feel the need to ‘defend’ sick acts? There should be no sides taken by anyone in the UK other than to feel sick at all the acts of murder happening from all sides in all wars. It should never be a place for point scoring over who did what when - everyone is wrong in my opinion. End of.
Without wishing to divert the thread but in direct response to your post, so what is your view of the Russia-Ukraine conflict?
 


aolstudios

Well-known member
Nov 30, 2011
5,080
brighton
My error, the amount of civilian injuries is unknown, although we do know for certain two children were killed.

Do you think it an acceptable tactic to be used against the IDF in Tel Aviv?
We don't 'know for certain'.
Only that Hezbollah have said so (as Hamas often 'say so' before it turns out to be made up).
Every news channel is saying "according to Hezbollah" or "according to Lebanon" (which is the same thing)
 








beorhthelm

A. Virgo, Football Genius
Jul 21, 2003
35,851
That's not whataboutery.
I'm highlighting that there doesn't seem to be any means that Jews are allowed to defend themselves against a foe whose stated aim is to kill them all.
This is defence against a war of annihilation. On several fronts. Maiming your enemy's combatants is kind of normal in war.
But unacceptable for Jews, evidently
oh please. Hezbollah is in no position to conduct a war of annihilation. they are terrorists who greatly impact on the peaceful living of those in northen Israel. taking out their leaders in assassinations is fair game. shooting soliders on the battlefield, standard warfare. deliberatly injuring soliders, posing no immediate threat, in public spaces is just nasty.
 






Feb 23, 2009
24,034
Brighton factually.....
That's not whataboutery.
I'm highlighting that there doesn't seem to be any means that Jews are allowed to defend themselves against a foe whose stated aim is to kill them all.
This is defence against a war of annihilation. On several fronts. Maiming your enemy's combatants is kind of normal in war.
But unacceptable for Jews, evidently
But what is acceptable for jews evidently is indiscriminately bomb civilians, hospitals and schools killing 43000. 43000 let that sink in....

Is that an appropriate response ?
 


Seagull58

In the Algarve
Jan 31, 2012
8,223
Vilamoura, Portugal
you have not answered my previous question, do you think 430000 dead, thousands maimed and displaced is an acceptable response to the original atrocity by Hamas ?
It's a very complex, awful situation that has been going on for close to 80 years with 2 full-blown wars and continual border incidents. Impossible, imo, to say with any degree of conviction whether the Israeli response is acceptable or not without knowing how the conflict will evolve. If you think that's a cop out then so be it.
 


Why do people these days feel the need to ‘defend’ sick acts? There should be no sides taken by anyone in the UK other than to feel sick at all the acts of murder happening from all sides in all wars. It should never be a place for point scoring over who did what when - everyone is wrong in my opinion. End of.
Because we have too many sociopaths in our midsts. Pretty easy to spot who would have been the concentration camp guards if they were born in the time and place
 






PILTDOWN MAN

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NSC Patron
Sep 15, 2004
19,339
Hurst Green
No Jews, no news
Zelenskyy is the first Jewish president of Ukraine; with Volodymyr Groysman as prime minister, Ukraine became the first country other than Israel to simultaneously have a Jewish head of state and head of government.
 




Seagull58

In the Algarve
Jan 31, 2012
8,223
Vilamoura, Portugal
oh please. Hezbollah is in no position to conduct a war of annihilation. they are terrorists who greatly impact on the peaceful living of those in northen Israel. taking out their leaders in assassinations is fair game. shooting soliders on the battlefield, standard warfare. deliberatly injuring soliders, posing no immediate threat, in public spaces is just nasty.
The objective of Hezbollah and Hamas is to destroy the State of Isreal though, isn't it? They are supported by Iran and Syria who also have that stated objective. Iranian leaders have repeated it several times.
 






borat

Well-known member
Jul 16, 2003
611
My error, the amount of civilian injuries is unknown, although we do know for certain two children were killed.

Do you think it an acceptable tactic to be used against the IDF in Tel Aviv?
Side point but important. Under international law the occupied (Palestinians) have a right to resist their occupiers and that includes "armed struggle" (UN resolution 37/43)
 


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