[News] Middle East conflict

[Thunder Bolt]

The Quakers did, and got the Nobel Peace Prize for it. https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/peace/1947/ceremony-speech/

Two years after the war finished. Many of them were imprisoned during it.

 

[Wardy's twin]

You can't be sure that it will achieve nothing useful. There are examples in history of terrorist organisations renouncing violence and embracing peaceful, political means, and examples of terrorist organisations pretty much ceasing to exist. The IRA as the former and the Tamil Tigers as the latter. Also, Frelimo, Swapo, Sandanista etc. etc.

It was never the objective of the IRA to wipe out the protestants or the English and there in lies the major difference and that is pretty much true of the groups you mention above. In the case of the IRA it was clear that the conflict was going nowhere, support was waning (especially as economic conditions improved) and rational people (yes i did say that) decided that peace might be a better option .

Until its clear that demands for the destruction of Israel are stopped then the Netanyahu's position seems justified to the current majority of Israelis and with that comes the continued aggressiveness.

 

[chip]

Two years after the war finished. Many of them were imprisoned during it.

Yes, I alo have a recollection that the Chief Nurse was a Quaker and camapigned for civilian relief in Germany.

 

[Psychobilly freakout]

I cannot understand how firing hundreds of rockets into Israel daily, indiscriminately hitting civilian infrastructure, can be a preventative measure. Have I misunderstood your point?

Forgive me if I have this wrong.
1: As I understand it Israel and Lebanon have been at odds for decades.
2: There have been long standing border issues with Israeli settlers ousting locals, more than 200,000 displaced.
3: They are obviously a terrorist group involved and have been firing rockets in support of the Palestinian brothers as they see them ever since the start of the this whole thing.
4: I think (something I should not do) they are firing rockets in support and as a measure for them to say, Israel we will not let you take anymore of our land, and you will not do to us what Israel have done to the Palestinians by murdering and displacing thousands.

For every action there is a reaction.

 

[rippleman]

Yes, of course, as we've seen in South Africa, Angola, Mozambique, Nicaragua etc., but, imo, this was most definitely not a terrorist attack. It was a targeted operation to disrupt and immobilise Hezbollah's organisational structure. It is not comparable to the rockets Hezbollah fires indiscriminately into Israel every day.

Then they cocked it up. Two children dead and many others injured. Unless you are happy to accept another couple of dead children as "collateral damage" to go along with the thousands already killed, maimed, injured and displaced by the extreme rightwing government of the State of Israel?

 

[Seagull58]

Do you think it would be acceptable for IDF to be targeted the same way with 1000s of civilians injured and children killed in Tel Aviv?

Where have 1000s of civilians been injured in this attack? What we know about it is that nearly 3000 pagers distributed and used by Hezbollah for their organisational communications have been blown up, with around 2,800 total casualties.

 

[Sussax]

And round and round we go.

 

[Superphil]

No one is celebrating a child’s death
Hezbollah has fired 8000 rockets into Israel in the last year including one that killed many children playing football (where were your tears then) so they are at war. This war has the lowest rate of civilian deaths of any modern war.

How many civilian deaths in Gaza?

 

[aolstudios]

if Hezbollah attacks a barracks or police station in Israel, is that ok then and not terrorism, because its targetted?

maybe i'm the odd one, in my eyes, deliberatly maiming targets just isn't how you go about immobilising an adversary.

What on earth do you think we did to the Germans in ww2? Sang them lullabies?

 

[aolstudios]

The Quakers did, and got the Nobel Peace Prize for it. https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/peace/1947/ceremony-speech/

D'you think Hitler would've surrendered to the Quakers?

 

[Wardy's twin]

The Quakers did, and got the Nobel Peace Prize for it. https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/peace/1947/ceremony-speech/

I didn't know that but weren't the Quakers also conscientious objectors so clearly stood up against any violence /war rather than just bombing of civilians.

I wonder how many on here are conscientious objectors and indeed what would have happened had the majority of the population had been Quakers in 1939.

 

[Psychobilly freakout]

Where have 1000s of civilians been injured in this attack? What we know about it is that nearly 3000 pagers distributed and used by Hezbollah for their organisational communications have been blown up, with around 2,800 total casualties.

you have not answered my previous question, do you think 430000 dead, thousands maimed and displaced is an acceptable response to the original atrocity by Hamas ?

 

[beorhthelm]

What on earth do you think we did to the Germans in ww2? Sang them lullabies?

while following some rules of war accepted at the time, we did a lot of things we dont find acceptable today. maybe at least try to address the question without resorting to whataboutery.

 

[pocketseagull]

Where have 1000s of civilians been injured in this attack? What we know about it is that nearly 3000 pagers distributed and used by Hezbollah for their organisational communications have been blown up, with around 2,800 total casualties.

My error, the amount of civilian injuries is unknown, although we do know for certain two children were killed.

Do you think it an acceptable tactic to be used against the IDF in Tel Aviv?

 

[Pavilionaire]

It is incredible that it seems beyond the capabilities of mankind to agree a peaceful co-existence between two groups of people living in an area smaller than the size of Belgium.

I have been to Israel twice, - in the 90s - but the place is too dangerous now. Even then, on the day I arrived a bus had blown up on the Jaffa Road near the bus station that morning killing 26 and injuring 48.

It was very eerie given we had to walk past that very spot spot to reach our hotel. Who knows what might have happened had we arrived in the city a few hours earlier?

The nub of the issue is that Jews consider the land of Israel - including Gaza and the West Bank - to be given to them by God, and therefore, giving land away to the Arabs is an affront to God.

The enshrinement of rights in something deemed sacred is a tough one to overcome, and if the Yanks can't sort the right to bear arms that still plagues their country then they sure as hell won't sort the Arab / Israeli conflict.

 

[Seagull58]

Amazing, why are two children dead then ?

Presumably because they were in the immediate vicinity of the Hezbollah operatives who were in possession of the pagers.

 

[SeagullinExile]

It was a precisely targeted attack on the Hezbolla organisational structure, designed to disrupt and immobilise it.

Which killed children. Defend it as much as you want. It’s terrorism, nothing less.

 

[Psychobilly freakout]

Presumably because they were in the immediate vicinity of the Hezbollah operatives who were in possession of the pagers.

that is ok then, phew.....

 

[Shaktarman]

Why do people these days feel the need to ‘defend’ sick acts? There should be no sides taken by anyone in the UK other than to feel sick at all the acts of murder happening from all sides in all wars. It should never be a place for point scoring over who did what when - everyone is wrong in my opinion. End of.

 

[Seagull58]

The one bit of solace I get from this thread is that apart from the two nutters who apparently are fine with a bit of light genocide, the overwhelming opinion of sensible Brits seems to be disgust at the Israeli regime for the thousands of deaths they are causing.

12 deaths, not thousands.