I'm hoping for a week or so off myself. Former colleagues in Italy, Vietnam and Czech Rep. are enjoying that right now. The economic repercussions of this happening across the UK would be rather serious though.
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I'm hoping for a week or so off myself. Former colleagues in Italy, Vietnam and Czech Rep. are enjoying that right now. The economic repercussions of this happening across the UK would be rather serious though.
This Tory lie about the NHS being safe in there hands and remains free at the point of use is a lie, they want to privatise large parts of our NHS to companies for profit
In any operating theatre will be a minimum of five highly trained members of staff this is true in both NHS and private theatres
Which got me wondering how many doctors and Nurses have Bupa trained in the uk over the 30 plus years they have been providing some NHS services the answer is zero not one, they do employ NHS trained staff but provide none themselves.
It apparently costs £220,000 to train a basic doctor to complete their five-year degree. they then go onto specialise
£479,000 for a GP.
£725,000 to train a hospital consultant.
£70,000 to train a basic nurse.
Again much more if they specialise plus ongoing update training accreditation etc all funded by the state through general taxation
It is therefore not surprising that the UK health economy is a great way for private companies and particularly US companies step in and to deliver the health needs of the nation at a profit when they have no responsibility or expenses relating to the providing of training.
In addition Private health care providers can and do fly in surgeons from other countries to undertake a days surgery and then fly them back home at the end of the day, these surgeons may not speak the language or never meet with the teams they will be working with or worked in that theatre it is also quite possible they have not been trained on the use of equipment as used in that theatre and might therefore be more reliant on others to lead finally these surgeons may not have never meet the paitents they are about to operate upon before or after the surgery
These flown in surgeons were not trained by the NHS but by other governments and again private companies are using their skills for profit at another country's expense
The Tories will say it's ok the NHS will oversee all this contracts will only be let under strict NHS supervision and the end result is paitents won't care where the doctors from as long as it's free at the point of use and for a while it will probably be true
Bit by bit we are loosing the NHS I worked in our local NHS for over 30 years and I have witnessed it first hand and I fear apathy will be the death of it
In any operating theatre will be a minimum of five highly trained members of staff this is true in both NHS and private theatres
Which got me wondering how many doctors and Nurses have Bupa trained in the uk over the 30 plus years they have been providing some NHS services the answer is zero not one, they do employ NHS trained staff but provide none themselves.
It apparently costs £220,000 to train a basic doctor to complete their five-year degree. they then go onto specialise
£479,000 for a GP.
£725,000 to train a hospital consultant.
£70,000 to train a basic nurse.
Again much more if they specialise plus ongoing update training accreditation etc all funded by the state through general taxation
It is therefore not surprising that the UK health economy is a great way for private companies and particularly US companies step in and to deliver the health needs of the nation at a profit when they have no responsibility or expenses relating to the providing of training.
In addition Private health care providers can and do fly in surgeons from other countries to undertake a days surgery and then fly them back home at the end of the day, these surgeons may not speak the language or never meet with the teams they will be working with or worked in that theatre it is also quite possible they have not been trained on the use of equipment as used in that theatre and might therefore be more reliant on others to lead finally these surgeons may not have never meet the paitents they are about to operate upon before or after the surgery
These flown in surgeons were not trained by the NHS but by other governments and again private companies are using their skills for profit at another country's expense
The Tories will say it's ok the NHS will oversee all this contracts will only be let under strict NHS supervision and the end result is paitents won't care where the doctors from as long as it's free at the point of use and for a while it will probably be true
Bit by bit we are loosing the NHS I worked in our local NHS for over 30 years and I have witnessed it first hand and I fear apathy will be the death of it
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dingodan
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What? No I don't agree with that. 80% is the actual possible worst case scenario, according to the Chief Medical Officer. Or are you more qualified to say?
To be clear that doesn't mean 80% of people will be infected, nor does it mean that 80% of people being infected is likely. But that is the worst possible outcome. As a worst case scenario, it isn't disputed, except by you for some reason.
Let's ignore the worst case and just assume everything will be fine as it probably will be
Not at all, no.
I just don't consider the actions taken in China to be merely "slightly draconian measures", they are incredibly draconian.
If people aren't interacting with other people, the virus doesn't spread - go figure.
It is highly unlikely any country in the world could or would do what the Chinese have done and are continuing to do. The measures in Northern Italy don't even come close, for example.
Not sure if I've been crossed off your trenches list, but I certainly consider myself level-headed. I'm not panicking - we have no extra bog rolls, packs of pasta nor tins of beans. We're doing everything we would normally do, and have no intention of changing that.
I don't think we're all going to die. I think the chances of the health of me and my family being impacted are tiny.
That doesn't mean I don't have significant concerns for many others - the vulnerable and those working on the frontline of the NHS.
That I could just hunker down and watch Netflix for a few weeks is neither here nor there.
Finally humanity has found a positive argument for the existence of military dictatorships
beorhthelm
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you make an excellent argument for private health to provide their own training programmes, and help fill the gap from inadequate recruitment from government.
your point about flying in foreign doctors ignore they need to be licenced, so i suggest you report these to the authorities.
now back to the schedule programme of Covid-19 doom/not doom
Nobby
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- Sep 29, 2007
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Because he thinks the Chief Medical Officer is scaremongering, presumably?
Bold Seagull
strong and stable with me, or...
Thing is China went draconian before the world knew what this was and how quickly it might spread. The world is now fully aware, behaviours are being shaped, even the most laissez-faire of us are probably washing their hands more and alterating routines. The more this happens, the less the disease will spread. The horse had already bolted in China and to some extent Northern Italy. Be surprised if we see anything like the growth in infections from this point forwards. Part of the strategy at present seems to be to get people just scared enough to take sensible precautions without causing panic.
Exactly. And every day is another day closer to the vaccine/drugs/treatment necessary being ready and implemented.
There are a lot of positive factors that are being ignored.
The Delay phase has been delayed after this morning's Cobra meeting.
Should mean we're all good to watch us stuff Arsenal.
Should mean we're all good to watch us stuff Arsenal.
I reckon you're echoing the thoughts of the majority there.
Nobby
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- Sep 29, 2007
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Panic buyers should be treated like looters.
But I wouldn’t want Mellotron or The Clamp in the trenches with me.
They would be the ones with bullet proof vests back at base saying “No of course there aren’t any Germans, stop being melts on you go lads”
They’re either trolling or a bit thick.
IMHO
You realise why the cases are going down in China? Everyone has had to install an app on their phones which is reporting back their every move to the local police. There are algorithms in place which monitor your location in comparison to the known location of those infected and it "judges" if you are at risk or not. If you are it risk it stops you from being able to move about in public places by displaying a red symbol on your phone screen. To get access to various buildings and public transport etc you have to display your phone. If you have red you're turned away. It is a very drastic piece of state monitoring of huge swathes of the population. Nothing to do with the virus being fake news or no worse than flu.
Further reading:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/01/business/china-coronavirus-surveillance.html
Further reading:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/01/business/china-coronavirus-surveillance.html
Iggle Piggle
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To turn that on its head, if level headed people are worried perhaps there is something to worry about?
I can recommend the 2nd series of Narcos Mexico for the Netflix binge.
A level of caution is completely sensible, granted. Diseases of any kind should of course be treated with respect, and the necessary steps taken to deal with said diseases.
However, there are people on here - and in society - with real anxiety problems and some of the statements you read on here and hear in the press are very foolish and irresponsible. Scare a herd of sheep and it will do stupid things.
The news from South Korea genuinely is positive though...
"South Korea's top public health official hopes that the country has already gone through the worst of the novel coronavirus outbreak that has infected thousands inside the country.
"We are hoping that we have passed the peak, taking the numbers into consideration, and cautiously expecting we have passed the peak," South Korean Health Minister Park Neunghoo said in an exclusive interview with CNN."
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/09/asia/south-korea-coronavirus-intl-hnk/index.html
"South Korea's top public health official hopes that the country has already gone through the worst of the novel coronavirus outbreak that has infected thousands inside the country.
"We are hoping that we have passed the peak, taking the numbers into consideration, and cautiously expecting we have passed the peak," South Korean Health Minister Park Neunghoo said in an exclusive interview with CNN."
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/09/asia/south-korea-coronavirus-intl-hnk/index.html
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Personally I am a tad concerned of the 'what if' potential, but its got nowt to do with personal fear or anxiety, its guided by what people in the know are themselves saying is the 'what if' potential of this thing, and the effects that can have on the wider economy (as we're beginning to see) and the NHS as we may well soon find out.
This today on BBC is another one of such examples:
A European Union expert said the UK had only a "few days" to implement measures to prevent an outbreak like Italy's, which is the worst outside China with 7,375 confirmed cases and 366 deaths.
Sergio Brusin from the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control told the BBC's Victoria Derbyshire programme: "The UK is in the same situation Italy was two weeks ago."
Are they wrong or simply scare mongering?
Why because we don’t believe in running around in a blind panic? You’re even more foolish that I thought.