mejonaNO12 aka riskit
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Greece also scraped through their group on 4 points after a 1-1 draw and a 2-1 loss.
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I'm going to stick my long neck on the line - England to win Euro 2012
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It does seem I may have to concede your point about Greece in the face of evidence trumping my fairly woeful memory! But even so, that is just ONE "lucky" winner in however many tournaments since, say 1966. The overwhelming majority of tournaments are won by one of the top 3 or 4 teams at retaining possession and making their opponents chase the ball.
It kind of flies in the face that a team as average as England "might just win it". That's like saying Wigan "might just win" the title next season.
It kind of flies in the face that a team as average as England "might just win it". That's like saying Wigan "might just win" the title next season.
mejonaNO12 aka riskit
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Greece won the semi final 1-0 (suprise suprise) with a silver goal against Czech.
Again, less possession, less shots, and scored from a corner.
So thats all the games covered Simster.
Total shots 9 16
Possession 48% 52%
Again, less possession, less shots, and scored from a corner.
So thats all the games covered Simster.
Total shots 9 16
Possession 48% 52%
mejonaNO12 aka riskit
Well-known member
I feel harsh for posting that last bit of evidence now!
No it isn't. It's like saying that Wigan "might just win" the FA Cup.
But that analogy is also flawed because the Netherlands, Germany, France and Spain are all unlikely to rest their best players for certain matches in Euro 2012, unlike the big 5 or 6 clubs when they play certain FA Cup matches.
Its a HELL of a lot less flawed than comparing it to winning a 38 game league, where you have to play every one of the top teams twice.
Dominoid
Albion fan in Devon
I think the honest truth is that under Hodgeson, we genuinely don't know what to expect. The team are definitely looking stronger so far, but it's only been a couple of friendlies so it's impossible to tell. I don't think there's been enough time to make a big enough difference for us to win it really, but I'd love to be proved wrong. That said, I entered a prediction competition at work and I've predicted us going out in the semi final to the Germans so I'm not brave enough to put any money on us doing hugely well.
Hatterlovesbrighton
something clever
Couldn't agree more. There's a guy on Football Weekly who will always start his comment regarding an upcoming game with a completely meaningless list of stats, i.e.
Man City have only beaten Bayern Munich twice in the last 40 years. So what? That has LITERALLY ((c) Jamie Redknapp) NOTHING to do with the players who will go onto that pitch. Can you imagine Aguero going through on goal in the last minute, only to stop and think "Ah, hang on, we never beat this lot, shit! What do I do?!"
Most annoying aspect of punditry ever. Except Alan Shearer.
Re: beating Sweden in qualifiers, the fairest way would be to look at how we have done against similarly-ranked sides to Sweden in qualifiers over the last few years. I think it would show that generally we have a favourable record (i.e. Croatia).
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- Aug 8, 2005
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The qualifiers are one thing, the finals are something different. England choke when they get onto the big stage. Citing games during the qualifiers is one thing, at the sharp end of the tournament England repeatedly freeze.
Our Euro 92 squad was poor, but this lot is worse. Incredibly less than half are even regulars in a Premier league team. How it's come to this with the billions that swills round our game these days is something the F.A. need to look at. Quarter finals at best i reckon.
I know...surely that's got to stop at some point though? The performance against Algeria was genuinely baffling in 2010. Move it back about 6 months and we would've beaten them 4-1.
The one thing I will say in England's favour is that this is the first time I can remember we are actually leaving injured players at home. But yeah, I see your point, how many other nations take players who rarely play competitive football?
Dan Gleeballs
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- Nov 24, 2011
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The exact reason why the doom merchants get right on my tits. Were gonna lose, Hodgson doesn't know what he's doing, Rio Ferdinand... Blah blah blah. I'm glad expectations are low. I wanna see Hodgson with his held high if England do deliver the goods & if we don't... Well like or lump it because he's got another 4 years on his contract. I will end on the press can f**k off. Sick of them
Stockholm Syndrome
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- Jan 5, 2011
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Swedish media are very concerned about Roy Hodgson and the fact that he knows enough about Scandinavian football to not underestimate Sweden, which is usually the case.
England armed with low expectations is a massive problem for anybody.
England armed with low expectations is a massive problem for anybody.
SeagullSongs
And it's all gone quiet..
This thread seems to sum up NSC pretty well to my understanding:
Initial optimism, swathes of pessimism, a series of contradictions where both parties agreed they were wrong, some GOOD OLD FASHIONED statistics, a history lesson and excellent TACTICAL use of capital letters.
Initial optimism, swathes of pessimism, a series of contradictions where both parties agreed they were wrong, some GOOD OLD FASHIONED statistics, a history lesson and excellent TACTICAL use of capital letters.
Silent Bob
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- Dec 6, 2004
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I thought Belgium could have scored against tbh. All the sides we're playing are better than Belgium and miles better than Norway.
When I did my predictions for Euro 2012 I had England losing to France, drawing with Sweden, and beating Ukraine, finishing second. But I'm not hugely confident about it.
Then we lost to Italy in the quarters.
