Gordon Brown Labour Speech - Sickening

[TWOCHOICEStom]

'I'm alright Jack'

Is part of the answer to encourage as many people as possible to get to that stage ?

 

[London Calling]

Shame you were talking some sense until this point. Benefits should be for people who need them definitely, I don't argue that. BUT yes I do think that if my Mum and Dad have worked their arse off all their lives paying tax for 60 years that they should be able to die knowing that the home they've worked for and own, is going to be mine when they go. Not the states, not anyone elses, but mine. I aggree with taking perhaps a small percentage from very large estates but anything over 350,000?? that's the price of an average semi in Hove!

The fact that if my parents decided to get run over by a bus today I'd have to sell the house I've lived in all my life because I couldn't afford it is a digrace...

All I know is that we're not in the best place (and haven't been) for a while. So I'd like to see what difference another government could make.

Once upon the time, Inheritance tax was a tax on the wealthy, the very rich.

I am all for keeping it for that select group, homes £10 m or more. But basically we have a very comprehensive income, vat and other taxes now, which really should be used to collect the taxes we need without resorting to yet another burden.

Reduce the plethora of taxes.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Surely any excess monies in estates should go the the government to give to everyone who has loads of kids and / or does not work.

Sarcasm doesn't work without smilies

 

[User removed 4]

Surely any excess monies in estates should go the the government to give to everyone who has loads of kids and / or does not work.

silly me

 

[Simster]

i know people whos mortgage has been paid for literally years and he hasnt worked in all that time ( well he has in the black economy) so you are talking shit. and f***ing right i want the money from my parents hard work and they want me to have it too , not some f***ing champagne socialist like you to decide where the fruits of their years of work should go.

What the f*** has someone who's had their mortgage paid got anything to do with either NHS waiting times or inheritance tax. You're just on some pointless anti-looney left rant. A point illustrated by calling me a "champagne socialist" when I'm fairly central in my economic viewpoint. And in any case, for every crappy story like this, there are just as many where very deserving cases just slip through the net. It will ALWAYS be like this (whoever is in charge) as long as there is a welfare state.

And you don't seem to understand that it isn't "champagne socialists" who make these decisions. It's the government, voted in by an ELECTORATE. That's how a democracy works - it IS up to them who decides where people's money goes when they pass away. And no amount of ranting will change that. At the end of the day, you and I didn't earn that money, our parents did. I'd rather *some* of that money that was earned by somebody else was used to pay for improvements in education. You and I are perfectly capable of earning our own money FFS.

 

[Simster]

sorry yes it is , my sister lives in france , and unfortunately her boyfriend was ill earlier this year , not a waiting list in sight, its labour spin like you try to peddle that doesnt fit the facts.

So your family experience is different to my family's experience.

A bit like our very own NHS then.

 

[Simster]

Surely any excess monies in estates should go the the government to give to everyone who has loads of kids and / or does not work.

Yep, because we all know that's the thing our taxes go towards.

 

[Rusthall Seagull]

sorry yes it is , my sister lives in france , and unfortunately her boyfriend was ill earlier this year , not a waiting list in sight, its labour spin like you try to peddle that doesnt fit the facts.

well, it's not LABOUR spin....because I have never heard anyone from the Labour party saying that about the health care in France - I am a champagne socialist and dont agree with Simster on this one...As far as I am aware (and I have relatives living there) the health care in France is top drawer.

So let's stop blaming Labour spin on something that is a personal view.

 

[TWOCHOICEStom]

The tax we pay EVERYDAY for EVERYTHING should pay for things like education and NHS, we shouldn't be paying when we're 6ft under!!!

 

[User removed 4]

And you don't seem to understand that it isn't "champagne socialists" who make these decisions. It's the government, voted in by an ELECTORATE. That's how a democracy works - it IS up to them who decides where people's money goes when they pass away

probably why the tories ratings shot up when they announced thier inheritance tax plans.

 

[User removed 4]

well, it's not LABOUR spin....because I have never heard anyone from the Labour party saying that about the health care in France - I am a champagne socialist and dont agree with Simster on this one...As far as I am aware (and I have relatives living there) the health care in France is top drawer.

So let's stop blaming Labour spin on something that is a personal view.

simster is from the labour party, its a pseuedonym for ruth kelly

 

[Rusthall Seagull]

Surely any excess monies in estates should go the the government to give to everyone who has loads of kids and / or does not work.

whilst we are spouting rubbish.....or black one legged lesbians.

 

[sten_super]

What needs to happen, in my opinion, is that the tax system needs to be simplified. A central income tax, to pay for central government expenditure, and on top of that a local income tax, to pay for local expenditure. And bollocks to all other taxes. That's the most equitable tax system I can see.

 

[Simster]

simster is from the labour party, its a pseuedonym for ruth kelly

Fraid not. I don't like that man at all.

 

[bhaexpress]

As far as the NHS is concerned the only way the government is screwing it up is by letting them employ too many numb skulls who couldn't manage the proverbial drinking session in a brewery.

Right now I am 'working' on an NHS project (I have been paid to sit at home for over a week without any idea of when I will be needed again) where the daily cost of having my team contemplating their navels must be in excess of £3000 a day at least. Now I appreciate that in the grand scheme of things this may be a drop in the ocean but at the same time this is one small project affecting a handful of NHS trusts. I wonder how many more there are out there.

All too easy to blame the government for problems that are outside of their control.

 

[The Large One]

I look at it like this...

HOW CAN IT GET ANY WORSE?

NHS: f***ed.
Transport: f***ed.
Trying to be Self employed: impossible
Council Tax: ridiculous
Inheritance Tax: Disgrace
Buying a home: impossible.
Getting benefits for doing f*** all: Nice and easy

I wanna see what change is like, then maybe I'll be proved wrong... but I very much doubt it.

You sound like your Dad.

Best not start on immigration...

 

[User removed 4]

Fraid not. I don't like that man at all.

 

[TWOCHOICEStom]

What needs to happen, in my opinion, is that the tax system needs to be simplified. A central income tax, to pay for central government expenditure, and on top of that a local income tax, to pay for local expenditure. And bollocks to all other taxes. That's the most equitable tax system I can see.

Completely agree. Anyway, will it 10-0 or 36-2 tonight?

 

[ROSM]

silly me

at which point the quality debate put forward starts to fade away. I understand Spielberg peddling the myth - it'r reactionary, it's in the daily mail - it must be true.

But dont start joining in please

 

[User removed 4]

As far as the NHS is concerned the only way the government is screwing it up is by letting them employ too many numb skulls who couldn't manage the proverbial drinking session in a brewery.

Right now I am 'working' on an NHS project (I have been paid to sit at home for over a week without any idea of when I will be needed again) where the daily cost of having my team contemplating their navels must be in excess of £3000 a day at least. Now I appreciate that in the grand scheme of things this may be a drop in the ocean but at the same time this is one small project affecting a handful of NHS trusts. I wonder how many more there are out there.

All too easy to blame the government for problems that are outside of their control.

and meanwhile people are being allowed to go blind for the sake of 2.50 a day