For Anyone Thinking Of Voting Conservative...

[nicko31]

Voting Tory this time is the only viable option in the book. Voting Labour would be like asking a bunch of arsonists to put out a fire they started. Voting Liberal would like trying to put out the fire with a jug of water. Yeah ok, some of the Tory policies are a bit effy, but you have to look at the big picture do you want this country sorted out or not? There's no time to piss around with hung parliaments, Labour have gambled away all the winnings these are desperate times...

 

[Gwylan]

Not in the 60s - that was before Maggie gave most normal people the chance to buy a house of their own.

What total rubbish.

My parents owned their own house - my dad left school at 15 to work in a factory. He bought the house from the council in 1966, after working for nearly 20 years.

My grandparents owned their own houses: one was a miner, one was a brickie

The house I live in now was bought from the council in 1960 by someone who was an abattoir workers (I've seen the original deeds).

There were thousands of ordinary working people who owned their own homes before Thatcher. The difference was that people, like my parents saved for years and years to do so, while after 1980, banks relaxed lending criteria considerably meaning that younger people could now afford to do so.

 

[simmo]

I'm not sure what your question was. You can't repeal everything can you, and I guess some of them were good ideas. Secondary picketing was a bad idea, and banning it was surely a vote loser to the Labour core vote, so the Tories have done them a favour.

Some of the stuff you're talking about is idiotic. Why would anyone re-open pits (at the cost of millions) that were uncompetitive and where the skilled workforce moved on from years ago? Same with re-nationalising some of the privatised firms - those industries are unrecognisable now. Mind you, they should have taken back the trains IMO.

A lot of people on here and in general blame Thatcher for everything for all the ills we face. Nowadays it is almost a default position for some people on the left and that is "idiotic" thinking, she left power 20 years ago and "their" party have been in power for the last 13 years and yet Labour do virtually nothing to overturn her laws.

I am just trying to give a few examples of laws that could potentially be overturned and you know that is what I am trying to do. If the political will was there you could re-nationalise everything for e.g but Labour don't and the reason why they don't is because on a lot of things (not all, but a lot), she was wait for it, right in her thinking!

 

[pork pie]

What total rubbish.

My parents owned their own house - my dad left school at 15 to work in a factory. He bought the house from the council in 1966, after working for nearly 20 years.

My grandparents owned their own houses: one was a miner, one was a brickie

The house I live in now was bought from the council in 1960 by someone who was an abattoir workers (I've seen the original deeds).

There were thousands of ordinary working people who owned their own homes before Thatcher. The difference was that people, like my parents saved for years and years to do so, while after 1980, banks relaxed lending criteria considerably meaning that younger people could now afford to do so.

He did not live in some ex-council hovvel. He had a nice modern house, a bungalow I believe.

 

[The Spanish]

bloke living in bungalow in woodingdean shocker.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

No, you are ignoring my question. The re-nationilisation of industries is just one example of how Labour could have repealed and overturned all her laws. Another example while we are on the subject could be union laws. Why haven't Labour repealed the law concerning secondary picketing for example. Why don't Labour re-open all the pits that the Tories closed is another example

The question that needs to be answered by Thatcher's haters is this......Labour have had 13 years to undo all of Thatcher's (perceived) wrongdoings and put right the wrongs that they (or what their uni lecturers tell them) think.... Why dont they?

I'm far from a Thatcher hater - she was the right person for the time - but to really think the country has, or has ever had, the money to re-open pits or re-nationalised some industries implies you're living in cloud cuckoo land !

 

[Gwylan]

He did not live in some ex-council hovvel. He had a nice modern house, a bungalow I believe.

The house I live in now would have been a nice modern house in 1960. Newly built, 4-bed semi. A perfect family home - there were millions like it.

My guess is that you're about 18 and have no memory of what life was like in the 60s as you seem to way out in what life was like then. There was a belief, shared by both Labour and Conservatives that people deserved a decent house and just because someone was a postman, that shouldn't mean that he had to settle for a slum.

It's not true to say that people couldn't buy council houses before Thatcher came along and it's certainly not true to say that council property was sub-standard. I have a mate in housing who told me to snap up my current house as he said that local authority property between 1950 and 1964 was built better than any property before or since.

 

[Gwylan]

bloke living in bungalow in woodingdean shocker.

Well, exactly. It's scarcely a palace. I was brought up in Moulsecoomb, I now live in Coldean - in ex-council properties. Both were I live now and lived then are nice houses but not luxury dwellings.

 

[simmo]

I'm far from a Thatcher hater - she was the right person for the time - but to really think the country has, or has ever had, the money to re-open pits or re-nationalised some industries implies you're living in cloud cuckoo land !

But you seem to be missing my point (maybe deliberately) if you she was the devils spawn (as some would have you beleive) and did so much damage to this country why haven't a lot of her laws/policies been overturned by the Labour party?

You are right those things are cloud cuckoo land and they shouldn't be overturned, however, I bet it is Galloway's manifesto and probably also Scargill's founded party (the Socialist Labour Party I believe's) manifesto and they are running for parliament!

 

[beorhthelm]

it is fair comment that, despite the vitriol towards Thatcher, we still live in a Thatherite economy and Labour done nothing to reverse anything layed down in the 80's. Even when they've been given carte blanche oppurtunity, like with the bank problems, they failed to regress to old school values. while part nationalising RBS and Lloyds, they have made it clear the banks will be re-floated and done nothing to regulate the industry (against their natural inclination, they are happy enough to interfere in our personal lives though). this will serve us well in the recovery, but it rather weakens all those who hark back to how terrible the 80's Tories apparently were, since the 90's and 00's Labour hasnt changed any of it.

the more you think about it, the more you realise the time is for Labour to make way for the Liberals. I dont even understand what the Labour movement stands for anymore, it seems they only exist to oppose the Conservatives. their current campaign seems to amount to "pick us or else the others will shoot a puppy", and offers no solutions (not that the others do either when you scratch the surface).

 

[pork pie]

The house I live in now would have been a nice modern house in 1960. Newly built, 4-bed semi. A perfect family home - there were millions like it.

My guess is that you're about 18 and have no memory of what life was like in the 60s as you seem to way out in what life was like then. There was a belief, shared by both Labour and Conservatives that people deserved a decent house and just because someone was a postman, that shouldn't mean that he had to settle for a slum.

It's not true to say that people couldn't buy council houses before Thatcher came along and it's certainly not true to say that council property was sub-standard. I have a mate in housing who told me to snap up my current house as he said that local authority property between 1950 and 1964 was built better than any property before or since.

Hmm, we are talking about the late 60's. It was only a few years old then. It was on a private estate, which was nice in those days.

Nobody is suggesting he should settle for a slum? Simply, that he had a nice bungalow which was far more than most Labour voters had in those days. Their typical voters lived in council houses, and his area was strongly Conservative.

 

[User removed 4]

He did not live in some ex-council hovvel. He had a nice modern house, a bungalow I believe.

What are you on about , ex council hovel? you come across as an inverse snob and a bit of wanker to be honest, ive looked at his obituary and he doesnt seem a bad bloke, so what if he gave his son a strange name?

 

[Rookie]

Why does who you are to vote for today always come back to what one party or another did 20-30 years ago. The people and policies have changed surely you should base it on what they are offering now and not be stuck in the past

 

[pork pie]

.... .... ive looked at his obituary and he doesnt seem a bad bloke, so what if he gave his son a strange name?

What? You need to get a life!

 

[Dandyman]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/obituary-dennis-hobden-1616571.html

Read this obit of Hobden. Comes across as a damn good bloke.

Amen to that. I particularly liked this bit:

"Air Commodore Sir Arthur Vere Harvey, MP for Macclesfield: "You may say what you like about Hobden's views, and some of them are anathema to me, but I tell you that I know as an RAF officer that Hobden as brave aircrew won the Queen's commission and for that you should treat him with respect. So shut up.""

 

[User removed 4]

Amen to that. I particularly liked this bit:

"Air Commodore Sir Arthur Vere Harvey, MP for Macclesfield: "You may say what you like about Hobden's views, and some of them are anathema to me, but I tell you that I know as an RAF officer that Hobden as brave aircrew won the Queen's commission and for that you should treat him with respect. So shut up.""

pork pie take note.

 

[Pavilionaire]

Reading this thread is living proof of the failure of the 2-Party system and the fact this country will never unite under either Labour or Tory.

 

[The Spanish]

"and for that you should treat him with respect. So shut up.""

hahahahahaha brilliant. you know that luftwaffe thats your mum that is.

 

[Durlston]

Has to be Conservative but i've got an awful feeling it's going to be a hung parliament. This would be a disaster.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Has to be Conservative but i've got an awful feeling it's going to be a hung parliament. This would be a disaster.

Germany seems to get by OK.