[Politics] Dominic Cummings v H&SC and S&T select committees *Official Match Thread*

[vegster]

ALL of this.

Covid cases are on the rise in the North West, yet 2000+ Manchester United fans have travelled to Poland for the Europa League final 'because they can' on the proviso that they Self Isolate at home on their return...

The actual number of Manchester Untied supporters who will actually Self Isolate at home on their return will be about errr, zero, I should imagine.

It's not a problem for Man U fans to travel, London, apart from Hounslow, has Covid under control.

 

[cjd]

Sorry, not following this too closely, is it something to do with his Wallpaper?

It's not quite as serious a that......but close.

 

[beorhthelm]

it seems that if we'd just done everything Cummings said (which he made up on the hoof like everyone else), everything would have been fine. he's the leader we desperately needed for desperate times. if only we had known, instead of fussing over his breaking the rules.

 

[raymondo]

Cummings says that at the last election people had a choice between a government led by Boris Johnson or Jeremy Corbyn. He says any system that presents people with a choice like that has gone “extremely badly wrong”.

There are thousands of people who could provide better leadership, he says.

He also says it is “crazy” that someone like himself was able to have so much power. And it was “crackers” that Johnson was in there too, he says.

He says the political parties need to ask themselves about why they present the public with choices like this.


Oh no. I have some common ground with the snivelling weasel.

Brilliant stuff, thanks

 

[A1X]

Odd how he hasn’t mentioned or had a pop at Gove yet....

Gove hasn't been mentioned and he's been very, very keen to exonerate Sunak while throwing Hancock and Johnson under a bus. Our first real hint of the tide turning in the Conservative party, perhaps?

 

[cjd]

Listening to this you would think we were only European country that made mistakes. France and Italy will end up with more deaths than UK and Germany and Spain will be 100k plus Even Belgium will have more deaths per mil pop

And if anyone believes the Covid figures that France has been giving out for months now, they are living in cloud cuckoo land.

 

[mr sheen]

Listening to this you would think we were only European country that made mistakes. France and Italy will end up with more deaths than UK and Germany and Spain will be 100k plus Even Belgium will have more deaths per mil pop

Other people dealing with it badly doesn't mean we have dealt with it well or that we have no lessons to learn.

 

[drew]

I find it difficult to argue with that. I have posted before about the selfishness of the mask dodgers, the refusal of M&S to shut non essential retail, and of the frustration that the authorities, having introduced the rules, did nothing to ensure they were properly policed and enforced and the miscreants punished.

I'm sure many more people would go robbing if they knew that nobody would be interested in trying to catch them.

Many of the covid rules and laws were deemed important enough to introduce to stop the spread of the virus but once it became apparent that there would be no sanctions for not complying, there was, for many, no incentive to comply.

This. If the government had come down early on breaches and hit people hard with heavy fines then it would have had a big effect. If shops had insisted you either wear a mask or a face shield otherwise you don't come in then those morons that falsely claimed exemption would be wearing a mask because it's far easier to put a mask in your pocket than a shield! The problem was too many in government were above the law, including Cummings, and therefore that undermined any enforcement.

 

[drew]

Would love to be a fly on the wall in Hancock's office!

 

[GT49er]

Gove hasn't been mentioned and he's been very, very keen to exonerate Sunak while throwing Hancock and Johnson under a bus. Our first real hint of the tide turning in the Conservative party, perhaps?

Would be hard to throw Sunak under a bus, considering the excellent work he has done, Although undoubtedly abused by some, the furlough scheme has been one of the Covid crisis success stories.

 

[Beach Hut]

I wonder why Cummins decided to say nothing about everything that was wrong, who had lied and how stupid the PM is when interviewed by the journalist political elite in the Rose Garden ?

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

Point of order... The vaccine task force led by Kate Bingham - not no.10 or the department of health led the vaccine roll out. It's such a success because it was kept away from no.10, its cabinet and most importantly the department of health. As Cummings has stated before, if the smoking ruin that is the department of health had had anything to do with it, it'd probably have failed much like track and trace.

An ex shipmate was part of the role out team and the general consensus was the government was basically told to f*ck off. It was successful despite government not because off.


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[amexer]

Other people dealing with it badly doesn't mean we have dealt with it well or that we have no lessons to learn.

Dont necessarily think at the time UK or other countries dealt with it badly. It was only in retrospect it was seen things could have been done differently. UK were taking advice from top people but now found some of this advice was wrong. I think it is pointless this meeting taking place with somebody who cant stand Boris or Hancock and seems to have little time for opinions of Civil service and health service
What Cummings has to realise all governments felt they had responsibility to balance Covid with keeping economy going.

 

[drew]

I wonder why Cummins decided to say nothing about everything that was wrong, who had lied and how stupid the PM is when interviewed by the journalist political elite in the Rose Garden ?

Because at that time he was still an employee of the goverment so would have been a whistleblower.

 

[sydney]

Only one loser here.

It won’t be Cummings or either committees!

The majority of people know that the PM is unfit to lead the Country but that’s priced in with his voters because of his nationalism, Brexit and rejection of identity politics.

Do people really want his profound incompetence rubbed in their faces? His detractors already know it and his millions and millions of supporters just don’t care.

Have the media got this wrong by hyping it so much and what will the Government be announcing today/tomorrow in order to wrestle back control of the front pages?

he's not in control though is he .....he's a mouthpiece , a claxon of idiocracy , a gibbering camels head on a pantomime horse of evil , dirty, faceless caaaants.....if someone could get rid of Murdoch and his son(the evil one ) we may have a chance .....it's hard enough here ....god only knows what it's like there.

 

[GT49er]

An ex shipmate was part of the role out team and the general consensus was the government was basically told to f*ck off. It was successful despite government not because off.

The point is that everything that was done - bad and good - was done on the Government's watch.

 

[A1X]

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[jakarta]

And if anyone believes the Covid figures that France has been giving out for months now, they are living in cloud cuckoo land.

Or many other Countries. If you believe African COVID figures then best of luck if you are intending to visit...

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

Dominic Cummings v H&SC and S&T select committees *Official Match Thread*

Dont necessarily think at the time UK or other countries dealt with it badly. It was only in retrospect it was seen things could have been done differently. UK were taking advice from top people but now found some of this advice was wrong. I think it is pointless this meeting taking place with somebody who cant stand Boris or Hancock and seems to have little time for opinions of Civil service and health service
What Cummings has to realise all governments felt they had responsibility to balance Covid with keeping economy going.

Regardless of whether you think Cummings is the anti christ and Boris is the messiah or visa versa, this meeting very much needs to take place. We need all the cards on the table for the independent inquiry and by Cummings doing this it forces everyone else to. They’ll be no place to hide ....


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[mr sheen]

Dont necessarily think at the time UK or other countries dealt with it badly. It was only in retrospect it was seen things could have been done differently. UK were taking advice from top people but now found some of this advice was wrong. I think it is pointless this meeting taking place with somebody who cant stand Boris or Hancock and seems to have little time for opinions of Civil service and health service
What Cummings has to realise all governments felt they had responsibility to balance Covid with keeping economy going.

He was present. Who would you invite? Everyone who was in those rooms will have an agenda. It's for those running the committee to cut through those and draw conclusions.