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Nibble

New member
Jan 3, 2007
19,238
well they should return him to the UK where he can be taken care of properly given his mental illness no?

Well, perhaps if the British government had given a toss about an individuals mental state in the first place a vulnerable person wouldn't be facing a death sentance?

Only when a Brit is accused of an international crime do the British government take heed and only then do they critisise a foreign policy.

Oh China, such a bad country for daring to have it's own laws. The British government have sent hundreds to their death in the past two years so a bit rich to critisise another governments right to punish drug trafficking as they see fit.
 




skipper734

Registered ruffian
Aug 9, 2008
9,189
Curdridge
I'm sure the Chinese are a bit miffed, because the last time they tried to stop us importing drugs, they had to give us Hong Kong!
 


Nibble

New member
Jan 3, 2007
19,238
Anyhow, I hear enders is good tonight so I shall watch repeat, quick wank and off to bed. Night all. XX
 




Sorry Miss no.
Not on here, so you will just have to take my word for it, which I'm certain you won't.

I will have to take your word for it, as I do not know you personally, so do not know your experiences of psychiatric illnesses.

The reason I asked is that a lot of people make statements like yours with no professional qualifications and experience on the subject.
 




getreal1

Active member
Aug 13, 2008
704
Whilst I would not put it in quite the same manner, I do tend to agree with the sentiments of Nibbles post.

Let me say firstly, I am 100% against the death penalty, and there is not a single argument on this planet that would make me agree with it.

However - I also believe that if you know the penalty for a crime, but still go ahead and commit that crime, when you get caught, well tough titties.

Exactly
 


bhaexpress

New member
Jul 7, 2003
27,627
Kent
I may be a cynic but if this guy is mentally ill how did he find the wherewithal to get to China ? It's not like a trip to Bognor is it ? The plain fact is whether the laws of China or anywhere else for that matter are good or bad they are still the laws that apply there so if you can't do the time etc.
 


Link to the following article in the Guardian, have a read everyone, to me it sounds like the bloke is mentally ill.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/dec/28/akmal-shaikh-execution-china-mental-illness

Akmal Shaikh's journey from a minicab business in north London to death row in a remote part of north-west China is a labyrinthine tale involving eastern European gangsters, harebrained business schemes and a dream of international pop stardom.

It began in Kentish Town, north London, where Shaikh lived with his British wife and children. The couple ran a cab firm called Teksi on Fortess Road, close to Kentish Town tube station, and life appeared to be good.

Shaikh's former solicitor, Bruce Hayim, told the Observer earlier this year that Shaikh was once a "charming and charismatic man" – though the legal campaign group Reprieve insist he has "a lifelong history of very strange behaviour". His older brother, Akbar, said his sibling had shown signs of mental illness in 2001 after his first marriage had ended and "as he grew older he seemed to go off the rails". In 2004, he was accused of sexually harassing a female member of staff and ordered to pay £10,000 in unpaid wages and damages by an employment tribunal, according to his local paper, the Hampstead and Highgate Express.

But in 2005 Shaikh's life started to unravel further. He suddenly packed his bags and left for Poland, says his brother, where he announced plans to set up an airline despite having no means to do so. Given his complete lack of money, business plan or experience in the aviation industry, the venture soon foundered, but he was undeterred.

Having turned his back on his family, he stayed on, sometimes sleeping rough, moving from Lublin in the east to the capital, Warsaw. At some point he acquired a girlfriend, who told the Observer she soon became concerned by his "really silly and crazy" behaviour, such as the time he sent her a fake letter purporting to show he had won £1m.

He then started a prolonged email campaign, sharing his delusions with celebrities and government officials he had never met, firing off endless dispatches typed in an enormous 72-point font. Hundreds of emails sent by Shaikh to the British embassy in Warsaw from 2005 reveal the state of his mind. In the messages, obtained by Reprieve, he claimed to have spoken to the angel Gabriel and explained that he could have foiled the July 7 bombings in 2005, had he only been allowed to hold a press conference. One email appeared to be a letter to Father Christmas.

Some messages were copied in to a group of 74 organisations and individuals, including Tony Blair, Sir Paul McCartney, George W Bush and the BBC programme Top Gear.

But among the nonsense contained in the emails was information Shaikh's lawyers claim proves he had become involved with criminals who took advantage of his vulnerability. One mentioned a character called Carlos, who was going to help Shaikh achieve his dream of making it big in the music industry. Carlos, wrote Shaikh, had excellent contacts, and he knew a producer in Kyrgyzstan who could help him fulfil his dream of becoming a pop star. Though Shaikh had no singing experience, and even less musical talent, he recorded a song, an off-key track in English, Arabic and Polish called Come Little Rabbit, which, according to Reprieve, he truly believed had the potential to bring about world peace.

Today, two men who helped Shaikh record the song said it was clear he was psychiatrically ill. Gareth Saunders, a British teacher and musician who sang back-up on the song, said, "he clearly thought this song was going to have a very positive impact on the world".

He added: "It would be totally unlike him to get mixed up in drugs. However, it would be totally typical of him to fall for some kind of story that some drug dealer might spin to him concerning making his record in China … He would be so desperate for human contact that if some shady character came up to him to talk, Akmal would have gone on and on about his song, and it would have been easy for someone to see that he could be exploited."

It is Shaikh's case that back in 2007, "Carlos" told him that he knew people in the music industry that could assist and in September that year paid for a flight for Shaikh to Kyrgyzstan. There, his passport was taken by a gang of men – an act which did not unduly worry Shaikh, who believed he would soon be so famous that he would be recognised at every border crossing. When his passport was eventually returned, he was introduced to a man called Okole. This man, Shaikh claims he was told, ran a huge nightclub in China that would be the perfect venue for the debut performance of Come Little Rabbit.

En route to China, the two men stopped in Dushanbe, in Tajikistan, where they stayed in a five-star hotel – which Reprieve say Shaikh believed was a sign of his celebrity status. There, Okole told him he would have to fly to China alone as the flight was full. Shaikh claims Okole gave him a suitcase and promised to follow on the next flight.

On 12 September 2007, Shaikh flew into Urumqi and was stopped by customs officials on arrival. He was searched and his baggage scanned. Two packets containing around £250,000 worth of heroin were found in his luggage.

Shaikh told the officials that he did not know anything about the drugs, and that the suitcase did not belong to him. Reprieve say he helped the Chinese authorities with their inquiries and even set up a "sting" operation, telling Chinese officials to wait for Okole as he was due to arrive on the next plane. But Okole never turned up and Shaikh was arrested.

Though he was sentenced to death shortly after, the Foreign Office was not notified for many months, and in August 2008, Reprieve took on the case.

Chinese law says a defendant's mental state should be taken into consideration if they are accused of serious crimes, but the Chinese authorities have refused repeated requests for Shaikh to be evaluated by a doctor. At his first appeal hearing this May, Shaikh insisted on reading a long, rambling and often incoherent statement to the court. His performance was so strange that judges laughed.

Though he has never been assessed by a psychiatrist, Foreign Office officials were eventually allowed to spend 15 minutes with Shaikh. From their description of Shaikh's behaviour, Dr Peter Schaapveld, a London-based consultant clinical and forensic psychologist, compiled a medical report in which he was able to deduce with "99% certainty" that he was suffering from a mental disorder that could either be bipolar or schizophrenia. Despite that diagnosis, at 2.30am, Shaikh is due to be put to death.
 




Well, perhaps if the British government had given a toss about an individuals mental state in the first place a vulnerable person wouldn't be facing a death sentance?
What the hell is that supposed to mean?

Is treating bi-polar disorder so easy that all it takes is a stroke of a pen by a government bureaucrat?
 


Robot Chicken

Seriously?
Jul 5, 2003
13,154
Chicken World
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8433285.stm

A British man convicted of drug smuggling in China has been executed, the Foreign Office has confirmed. Akmal Shaikh, 53, of London, had denied any wrongdoing and his family said he was mentally ill.

The execution took place despite repeated calls from his family and the British government for clemency.

British Prime Minister Gordon Brown said he was "appalled" and condemned the execution "in the strongest terms".

Mr Shaikh is the first EU national to be executed in China in 50 years.

In a statement, Mr Brown said: "I am appalled and disappointed that our persistent requests for clemency have not been granted.

"I am particularly concerned that no mental health assessment was undertaken.

"At this time our thoughts are with Mr Shaikh's family and friends and I send them our sincere condolences."

~

His daughter Leilla Hornsell has said her father was approached by drug smugglers in Poland, who convinced him they would make him a pop star in China.

She claims he was then duped by the gang into carrying a suitcase that did not belong to him.
 


The Grockle

Formally Croydon Seagull
Sep 26, 2008
5,742
Dorset
I may be a cynic but if this guy is mentally ill how did he find the wherewithal to get to China ? It's not like a trip to Bognor is it ? The plain fact is whether the laws of China or anywhere else for that matter are good or bad they are still the laws that apply there so if you can't do the time etc.

The man in question went to China to pursue a 'pop career'! He obviously wasn't of sound mind.

If this had been some white, middle class student carrying drugs and facing execution the whole country would be going f***ing mental and i doubt very much they would have been executed.

My thoughts are with the british family that have been failed by their country, all very sad.
 






The Grockle

Formally Croydon Seagull
Sep 26, 2008
5,742
Dorset








The man in question went to China to pursue a 'pop career'! He obviously wasn't of sound mind.

If this had been some white, middle class student carrying drugs and facing execution the whole country would be going f***ing mental and i doubt very much they would have been executed.

My thoughts are with the british family that have been failed by their country, all very sad.

Why bring race into it he would have been executed no matter what. that's the law in China.
 


Gerbil

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Jul 6, 2003
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Stalking Hayley
The man in question went to China to pursue a 'pop career'! He obviously wasn't of sound mind.

If this had been some white, middle class student carrying drugs and facing execution the whole country would be going f***ing mental and i doubt very much they would have been executed.

My thoughts are with the british family that have been failed by their country, all very sad.

Aggre with this.
Although i think he would have been excecuted if he was white, Everyone in england would be going mental.
 






Westdene Seagull

aka Cap'n Carl Firecrotch
NSC Patron
Oct 27, 2003
21,403
The arse end of Hangleton
I knew the Chinese would do it as they don’t mess about when it comes to drugs. I do feel for his family and my thoughts go out to them. :down:

So was the keyboard warrior drivel you were posting last night drink induced then ??? That's one of the fastest turn arounds in NSC history ! :dunce:
 


Uncle C

Well-known member
Jul 6, 2004
11,708
Bishops Stortford
He cant be dead its not 10.30 am yet!
 


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