[Politics] Brexit

[Seagull58]

whilst its very clear that we must give our notification to leave the EU before negotiations on the Brexit can even begin you are right nearly everyone is confused as to whether or not trade negotiations can run alongside brexit negotiations.
Our and EU politicians seem somewhat in the dark.

Some seem to be arguing let the lawyers sort it out.
Others I have read say maybe both sides will just be pragmatic,(as its in their own interests) and conduct trade negotiations alongside exit negotiations and as each section of the brexit is agreed they will know better how they can proceed and announce the trade negotiation outcomes as soon as possible after the brexit is finished.

It would seem the sensible approach from all sides, and reading between the lines no EU members seem keen on dragging this whole affair on further than is necessary. they do after all have the interests of their own industry, exporters and jobs to consider.

Perhaps the EU could write a leave policy that is better legally understood for the next country going to use it.




well if the economy is going to be such a basket case as you predict you will be grateful for the non discriminatory immigration policy that will be in place after a Brexit. Immigrants will always wish to come to the UK,your belief they wont is rubbish .We will be able to choose the best and the brightest from the globe that want to come here and not have to refuse people because they are non European..
We can manage it in our best interests and allow those that will have a positive impact.
I call that progress, I call that forward thinking, the insular inward thinking of the EU can continue, but I don’t want this country to be a part of it.

Or perhaps they shouldn't have written a leave policy that is so unreasonable and impossible to execute. Of course, they wrote it believing that nobody would ever leave their grand project and so I guess they didn't think it mattered that it was utterly unrealistic.

 

[Baldseagull]

whilst its very clear that we must give our notification to leave the EU before negotiations on the Brexit can even begin you are right nearly everyone is confused as to whether or not trade negotiations can run alongside brexit negotiations.
Our and EU politicians seem somewhat in the dark.

Some seem to be arguing let the lawyers sort it out.
Others I have read say maybe both sides will just be pragmatic,(as its in their own interests) and conduct trade negotiations alongside exit negotiations and as each section of the brexit is agreed they will know better how they can proceed and announce the trade negotiation outcomes as soon as possible after the brexit is finished.

It would seem the sensible approach from all sides, and reading between the lines no EU members seem keen on dragging this whole affair on further than is necessary. they do after all have the interests of their own industry, exporters and jobs to consider.

Perhaps the EU could write a leave policy that is better legally understood for the next country going to use it.




well if the economy is going to be such a basket case as you predict you will be grateful for the non discriminatory immigration policy that will be in place after a Brexit. Immigrants will always wish to come to the UK,your belief they wont is rubbish .We will be able to choose the best and the brightest from the globe that want to come here and not have to refuse people because they are non European..
We can manage it in our best interests and allow those that will have a positive impact.
I call that progress, I call that forward thinking, the insular inward thinking of the EU can continue, but I don’t want this country to be a part of it.

You say we will have a non discriminatory immigration policy, except that we will discriminate by taking only the best and brightest.
The brightest and best have options though, if we are running a low value currency, have high unemployment, crap services and and increased whiff of racism hanging about, the bright ones may look elsewhere.
It is a bit perverse that you voted to leave an organisation you see as insular, so we don't have to experience living with Europeans.

 

[Lincoln Imp]

You are in denial about the very clear statements from all the politicians that will be managing the withdrawal from the EU that controlled immigration s the part of the foundation of the exit plan. Davis says it is non-negotiable.

I don't think the previous poster was in denial. You are not the only person in the world who understands quite clearly what the politicians concerned have said. We are sailing in uncharted waters with unpredictable tidal flows though. The EU has never negotiated this kind of deal before and the Brexit campaign was, intentionally, serially vague. Different politicians have said different things at different times. In one instance the same politician has said different things at different times. No Free Movement is where we are now. Davis thinks he can achieve it while retaining access to the single market but as a fallback he has a hazy-sounding scheme that involves lifting £2bn a year off, mainly, German exporters and giving it to British carmakers. Meanwhile, Fox has been sent away to arrange a whole series of trade deals by the end of 2018 with markets that are, apparently, bigger than the EU. Personality number 3, the Foreign Secretary, is towing the party line at the moment but has made his views clear in the past and they do not coincide with either Davis's or Fox's. The Prime Minister is also talking No Free Movement for the present but has no past record of believing in it. And she of course is Davis's, Fox's and Johnson's boss.

My point is not that you're wrong but that you are wrong to be so certain. The position is fluid. If the economy tanks badly in the next two years, if EU immigration pressures reduce, if Fox's
negotiations don't crack along like he hopes they will, if opinion polls shift dramatically or if the EU economy recovers then Free Movement may be back on the table, less of an issue than it was forced to become during the campaign. There's an 'or' between all those IFs by the way, not an 'and'.

 

[Baldseagull]

You are in denial about the very clear statements from all the politicians that will be managing the withdrawal from the EU that controlled immigration s the part of the foundation of the exit plan. Davis says it is non-negotiable.

They always do what they say those Politicians don't they?
It must be really strange for some of the Labour leavers, having spent their adult lives picking at the lies of the Torys, to now be expecting that everything that comes out of their mouths is Gospel.
Davis may not be in the job by the time negotiations start, if they ever start, they say a week is a long time in politics, well we have a few weeks at the very least before it kicks off, if it kicks off.

I believe the current noise regarding free movement is a signal to the E.U., cut a deal on restricting free movement and we don't need to do this crazy shit.

 

[Chicken Run]

Australia it would seem have been in touch and would like to agree a free trade deal with us asap, maybe the UK can stand on its own two feet? Maybe to soon to tell but it's a start no?

 

[GoldWithFalmer]

Australia it would seem have been in touch and would like to agree a free trade deal with us asap, maybe the UK can stand on its own two feet? Maybe to soon to tell but it's a start no?

Think we are currently Australia's 8th largest trade partner-we could improve that to 6th? Do that with a few individual counties world wide and all of a sudden things start to look improved-

The reliance on services and the finance sectors is too high in this country and we need also,slowly,see an steady improvement in our industrial base-

 

[alfredmizen]

Australia it would seem have been in touch and would like to agree a free trade deal with us asap, maybe the UK can stand on its own two feet? Maybe to soon to tell but it's a start no?

Yep. here you go , no doubt the doom mongers will talk it down.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36818055?SThisFB

 

[Chicken Run]

Looking into this story in more detail via the BBC news app has revealed that we are in talks with upto a dozen countries who a keen to arrange free trade deals with us, Dr Fox told the Sunday Times: "We've already had a number of countries saying, 'We'd love to do a trade deal with the world's fifth biggest economy without having to deal with the other 27 members of the EU.'"

 

[cjd]

Yep. here you go , no doubt the doom mongers will talk it down.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36818055?SThisFB

And it quite clearly states in that article, that it took 10 years for Australia to recently conclude a trade deal with China.

 

[wellquickwoody]

Yep. here you go , no doubt the doom mongers will talk it down.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36818055?SThisFB

I am actually in the midst of calculating import/export costs to and from UK/Europe and Oz for my own business. Don't for one minute think that it can as advantageous as the UK being in the EU. Costs of transporting goods from say Germany against Melbourne? A rocket science degree is not required.

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

And it quite clearly states in that article, that it took 10 years for Australia to recently conclude a trade deal with China.

It was held up by the unions and labour party.

 

[ManOfSussex]

I am actually in the midst of calculating import/export costs to and from UK/Europe and Oz for my own business. Don't for one minute think that it can as advantageous as the UK being in the EU. Costs of transporting goods from say Germany against Melbourne? A rocket science degree is not required.

Surely any future free trade deals with The UK would be far more appealing to the rest of the world if we were to retain full access to the single market too?

 

[drew]

Think we are currently Australia's 8th largest trade partner-we could improve that to 6th? Do that with a few individual counties world wide and all of a sudden things start to look improved-

The reliance on services and the finance sectors is too high in this country and we need also,slowly,see an steady improvement in our industrial base-

So you just click your fingers and start manufacturing again. The reason there has been a decline in manufacturing is that other countries can do it a lot cheaper, ask James Dyson about that.

 

[alfredmizen]

And it quite clearly states in that article, that it took 10 years for Australia to recently conclude a trade deal with China.

Yes, China, which isnt the UK.

 

[heathgate]

Think we are currently Australia's 8th largest trade partner-we could improve that to 6th? Do that with a few individual counties world wide and all of a sudden things start to look improved-

The reliance on services and the finance sectors is too high in this country and we need also,slowly,see an steady improvement in our industrial base-

We cannot compete on the mass manufacturing arena with countries who pay 50p per day to schoolkids.... so we need to focus on the niche high tech specialised industries along with quality brand names such as Doulton and Worcester in the pottery and ceramics for example.... all the British brand names that are or were the leaders in their fields need to be supported and promoted worldwide.... it's where this nations output can have a lead on the rivals... quality and tradition.... it's sought after worldwide, let's exploit that with govt support.

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[alfredmizen]

I am actually in the midst of calculating import/export costs to and from UK/Europe and Oz for my own business. Don't for one minute think that it can as advantageous as the UK being in the EU. Costs of transporting goods from say Germany against Melbourne? A rocket science degree is not required.

It was being used as an example that the rest of the world will want to do trade deals with us , and they do , as Canada have already stated , do you really, really think that a trading bloc which sells FAR,FAR more to us than we do to them will start a tariff war ??

 

[heathgate]

Surely any future free trade deals with The UK would be far more appealing to the rest of the world if we were to retain full access to the single market too?

Maybe... but we are a significant market in our own right.... 64 million....and if free reciprocal deals can be achieved that weren't there before then it's a win win for both parties.

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[drew]

whilst its very clear that we must give our notification to leave the EU before negotiations on the Brexit can even begin you are right nearly everyone is confused as to whether or not trade negotiations can run alongside brexit negotiations.
Our and EU politicians seem somewhat in the dark.

Some seem to be arguing let the lawyers sort it out.
Others I have read say maybe both sides will just be pragmatic,(as its in their own interests) and conduct trade negotiations alongside exit negotiations and as each section of the brexit is agreed they will know better how they can proceed and announce the trade negotiation outcomes as soon as possible after the brexit is finished.

It would seem the sensible approach from all sides, and reading between the lines no EU members seem keen on dragging this whole affair on further than is necessary. they do after all have the interests of their own industry, exporters and jobs to consider.

Perhaps the EU could write a leave policy that is better legally understood for the next country going to use it.

I am sure that negotiators will have in mind the shape of trade deals they are aiming for when they are negotiating Brexit but even you accept that they will not be announced until the Brexit deal is agreed. As for what politicians are stating at the moment, surely you appreciate that is posturing before entering into negotiations?

 

[ManOfSussex]

Maybe... but we are a significant market in our own right.... 64 million....and if free reciprocal deals can be achieved that weren't there before then it's a win win for both parties.

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If free trade deals with New Zealand & Australia can also include reciprocal agreements on immigration and Aussie & Kiwi barmaids start reappearing here en masse, then that's definitely a win-win in my book!

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

If free trade deals with New Zealand & Australia can also include reciprocal agreements on immigration and Aussie & Kiwi barmaids start reappearing here en masse, then that's definitely a win-win in my book!

Lol!