[Politics] Brexit

[pastafarian]

good 30 minute bit on the radio yesterday about Wakefield.

Why Did People Vote Leave?
Why did so many people in the UK vote to Leave the EU? David Aaronovitch talks to residents in the pro-Leave city of Wakefield and finds out from experts why personal prosperity was a poor indicator of referendum voting intention.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07k08xd

some remainers will hate it, plenty of different reasons for voting leave given .. but no racists or xenophobes found

 

[Lincoln Imp]

You would love it to be illegal wouldn't you? Just admit that you are desperate for the UK to fail outside your beloved EU.

The legal case is far from clear and 'illegal'. This is from the BBC, a highly remain organisation:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36684876

To say that I hope that the UK suffers is insulting. To say that I fear it is reasonable. The BBC link actually lends credence to the suggestion of illegality, whilst reasonably adding that it has not been tested. Your suggestion that the BBC is a 'highly remain organisation' implies the kind of paranoia most common among Telegraph letters page writers.

 

[spence]

good 30 minute bit on the radio yesterday about Wakefield.

Why Did People Vote Leave?
Why did so many people in the UK vote to Leave the EU? David Aaronovitch talks to residents in the pro-Leave city of Wakefield and finds out from experts why personal prosperity was a poor indicator of referendum voting intention.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07k08xd

some remainers will hate it, plenty of different reasons for voting leave given .. but no racists or xenophobes found

Not good enough. They MUST be racists. I demand another referendum. I'm going to sign that petition.

 

[Lincoln Imp]

Please back up your claim with more than words.

What in heaven's name does THIS mean? You want pictures? A movie?

 

[ManOfSussex]

To say that I hope that the UK suffers is insulting. To say that I fear it is reasonable.

Which was also what Phillip Collins said in his column in The Times today.

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

What in heaven's name does THIS mean? You want pictures? A movie?

Getting a little hysterical?

 

[Lincoln Imp]

good 30 minute bit on the radio yesterday about Wakefield.

Why Did People Vote Leave?
Why did so many people in the UK vote to Leave the EU? David Aaronovitch talks to residents in the pro-Leave city of Wakefield and finds out from experts why personal prosperity was a poor indicator of referendum voting intention.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07k08xd

some remainers will hate it, plenty of different reasons for voting leave given .. but no racists or xenophobes found

What you mean that no one in Wakefield said to a stranger "yep, I voted leave because I'm a bit of a racist myself'? M'mm.

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

To say that I hope that the UK suffers is insulting. To say that I fear it is reasonable. The BBC link actually lends credence to the suggestion of illegality, whilst reasonably adding that it has not been tested. Your suggestion that the BBC is a 'highly remain organisation' implies the kind of paranoia most common among Telegraph letters page writers.

It seems that way from the apparent joy you express that things will be difficult all the way for Britain now. You are constantly arguing from the most pessimistic point.

If you were to be truly reasonable, you would be dispassionate and actually accept that whether you like it or not, we are in the process of leaving the EU. How exactly are you helping either yourself or your countrymen by only seeing the negative?

 

[pastafarian]

What you mean that no one in Wakefield said to a stranger "yep, I voted leave because I'm a bit of a racist myself'? M'mm.

you seem disappointed

 

[Lincoln Imp]

Which was also what Phillip Collins said in his column in The Times today.

Really? I've just gone through it quickly and can't see it anywhere. Which para?

 

[Soulman]

Which was also what Phillip Collins said in his column in The Times today.

Another Day in Paradise perhaps.

 

[Lincoln Imp]

you seem disappointed

No, just unsurprised.

 

[pastafarian]

Getting a little hysterical?

your comment reminds me of this girl ......just a slight over reaction

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

your comment reminds me of this girl ......just a slight over reaction

Lol!

 

[ManOfSussex]

Which was also what Phillip Collins said in his column in The Times today.

3rd paragraph - 'I am not so mean-minded that I want the process to fail. I live in this country too and do not wish impoverishment on it just so that I can win an argument, especially when it is someone else who could carry the burden.'

 

[Jim in the West]

Wow! You are really in denial. May has said it, Davis has said it and Fox has said it. Controlled immigration is a key requirement of Brexit. Explicitly stated by all of them.

We probably WILL get some form of controlled immigration - but this won't necessarily be a good thing. Firstly, we will almost certainly have reduced access to the Single Market as a result. And secondly, we will almost certainly see very little change in the numbers of immigrants. The only reason immigration will go down is if our economy under-performs (which obviously is a real possibility now).

 

[ManOfSussex]

Another Day in Paradise perhaps.

Far from it I'm afraid. It was a very balanced, realistic column piece from a remain supporting journalist.

 

[Jim in the West]

Article here from yesterdays Telegraph on free movement, pointing out its sacrosanct status to the EU - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...sely-emotional-about-free-movement-they-wont/

It has been sacrosanct - but will it stay that way in the post-Bataclan, post-Promenade des Anglais world? It'll be interesting to monitor how the French far right reacts, and what impact this may have on the French elections (and perhaps the German elections) next year. Perhaps in 2017 the EU might not be quite so wedded to unfettered free movement. We may not be the only state seeking some sort of control over immigration (although our reasons may be slightly different).

 

[Soulman]

Far from it I'm afraid. It was a very balanced, realistic column piece from a remain supporting journalist.

After the Leave win Against All Odds eh.

 

[ManOfSussex]

It has been sacrosanct - but will it stay that way in the post-Bataclan, post-Promenade des Anglais world? It'll be interesting to monitor how the French far right reacts, and what impact this may have on the French elections (and perhaps the German elections) next year. Perhaps in 2017 the EU might not be quite so wedded to unfettered free movement. We may not be the only state seeking some sort of control over immigration (although our reasons may be slightly different).

Perhaps. We'll see what we see.