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[Politics] Brexit
- Thread starter KingstonSeagull
- Start date
It's not that people don't like democracy. For me, it should never have been promised or delivered. If we held a referendum to see if everyone wanted to retire at 40 on a full state pension, It' likely get voted in. It eould be democracy. But the country would be bankrupt within 2 years.
yxee
Well-known member
That would never happen. But it is important that it COULD happen.
Sorrel
Well-known member
Would it have been ok if a party had their policy of withdrawing from the EU, and then they were voted in with a majority? i.e. is it just the idea of the referendum you don't like?
A policy? That is a stretch. they promised a referendum to lure UKIP voters in. They carried it through to appease back benchers.
Lincoln Imp
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- Feb 2, 2009
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If you think Boris really is against the principle of free movement then I think you are wrong, but as to it making any difference then I tend to think you are right. I raised it as a possibility, that's all. Sorry for being foolish.
ManOfSussex
We wunt be druv
Article here from yesterdays Telegraph on free movement, pointing out its sacrosanct status to the EU - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...sely-emotional-about-free-movement-they-wont/
Sorrel
Well-known member
I agree with that, I just wondered if your issue was with the idea of referendums at all.
Lincoln Imp
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- Feb 2, 2009
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12-24 months to hash out trade deals with America, China and other 'favoured trading partners'? Am I understanding this correctly
Yes, that is what you're meant to believe. Impressive eh? Especially as it is apparently illegal under the terms of the treaty to enter into trade negotiations until the two year process of Article 50 has finished. Davis is apparently intending to ignore this. Hell, what's a treaty obligation to a country like Great Britain?
Seagull58
In the Algarve
The foolishness was understandable for the first week or so after the referendum but since then every statement from every politician likely to be involved in the process has been fairly adamant that free movement must go.
Lincoln Imp
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- Feb 2, 2009
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When Remainers said it would be very difficult to retain full access to the single market without conceding on free movement Brexiters said they were scaremongering. When this turns out to be true Brexiters will say what revengeful bustards the EU negotiators are proven to be. Win, win.
Seagull58
In the Algarve
What are they going to do to us if he starts negotiations with others? Kick us out or just cancel our rebate?
Lincoln Imp
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- Feb 2, 2009
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Yes, it was the 'fairly' that made me wonder for a moment. Straw-clutching I suppose.
ManOfSussex
We wunt be druv
Which is pretty much what Phillip Collins wrote in his column in The Times today. I agreed with every word of it.
Green Cross Code Man
Wunt be druv
You would love it to be illegal wouldn't you? Just admit that you are desperate for the UK to fail outside your beloved EU.
The legal case is far from clear and 'illegal'. This is from the BBC, a highly remain organisation:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36684876
Historically the UK has been rather keen on international law but I guess times change.
Seagull58
In the Algarve
Wow! You are really in denial. May has said it, Davis has said it and Fox has said it. Controlled immigration is a key requirement of Brexit. Explicitly stated by all of them.
Seagull58
In the Algarve
Well, Blair managed to get a legal opinion that suited him in 2003 and, from reading the BBC article linked above, it is by no means clear-cut.
Green Cross Code Man
Wunt be druv
Please back up your claim with more than words.