[Politics] Brexit

[portslade seagull]

It's not a crime to not have heard of him. I know it's trendy amongst Brexit folk to big up the "university of life, common man" archetype but Chomsky really has had an impact on everybody's life in many parts of the globe, including yours. I know it may not be appealing to your good self but I make a point, where possible, of knowing a little something about the people that influence my life. He has been influencing politicians, business men, philanthropists and movers and shakers in general for over 70 years. He's worth a look at if you ever get a minute.

Yeah not mocking or anything but genuinely never heard of him as my wife who went to private school

 

[The Clamp]

What are his reasons for advocating the UK stays in the EU? I see that he has no economics qualifications or experience noted in his profile.

While not ignoring the economic implications, good or bad, leaving the EU has many, many, many more components and implications beyond financial and economic considerations. Considerations that Chomsky would doubtless be qualified to advise or opine on.

I don't actually know what Chomsky has said or feels about leaving the EU. I don't keep much of a track of him, I rarely agree with him but his influence is undeniable in many areas of politics and I happen to think he's a person people should have at least a cursory knowledge of.

 

[The Clamp]

Yeah not mocking or anything but genuinely never heard of him as my wife who went to private school

He's an interesting chap.

 

[Wrong-Direction]

It all comes down to investment if we want our country to thrive and prospher, we need to build more, pump more into the NHS, pump more into everything instead of lining the pockets of the filthy rich. For example the trains in Japan are like rockets nowadays, meanwhile back in blighty ours are f×××ed as well as most things.

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[Seagull58]

You could say he has something of a profile. One of the 20th/21st centuries most respected logicians among many, many other strings to his bow.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noam_Chomsky

He is against Brexit because: -
'UK government is at least as neoliberal as the EU. For all its flaws, the EU offers some kind of independent and (by comparative standards) constructive option in world affairs, and could do more. With Brexit, it will be weaker, and Britain will be even more a colony of the US. Britain will also lose the advantages of closer interactions with (relatively) civilized Europe.'

So, basically, he doesn't want the UK to grow closer to the US because of the US's "economic colonisation" foreign policy.

In my view, this is a philosophical argument and not based on economics, immigration, sovereignty etc.

 

[The Clamp]

He is against Brexit because: -
'UK government is at least as neoliberal as the EU. For all its flaws, the EU offers some kind of independent and (by comparative standards) constructive option in world affairs, and could do more. With Brexit, it will be weaker, and Britain will be even more a colony of the US. Britain will also lose the advantages of closer interactions with (relatively) civilized Europe.'

So, basically, he doesn't want the UK to grow closer to the US because of the US's "economic colonisation" foreign policy.

In my view, this is a philosophical argument and not based on economics, immigration, sovereignty etc.

I think you're right. I didn't bring the man up in this thread, I merely posted who he is. I happen to think philosophy has a place in the (now pointless) debate but I've not heard one I agree with as yet.

 

[GoldWithFalmer]

All Scots are at some point I feel. If Mrs May wants to renew Trident she's going to need a new base for it in Cumbria.

Quick look a the map-The Duddon Channel just north of Barrow in furness looks feasible i happen to like the American option as well..
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-28009977

 

[Seagull58]

Here is Tariq Ali's view: -
Journalist and filmmaker Tariq Ali called the EU a “machine for neoliberal capitalism” and said a U.K. departure would not result in economic chaos.

Speaking to The Nation, he noted that the bloc is working "extraordinarily" well from the perspective of global financial capitalism.

Blaming the EU for the rise of the far right, he branded the recent refugee deal with Turkey as "squalid" and pointed to the multiple crisis' rocking the continent, from some of the biggest strikes in France since 1968 to German hegemony over the bloc.

"I was undecided at the beginning of the campaign, but now I believe a tactical vote to get out would benefit all and could permit even a mildly radical Labour government to carry out its policies," he concluded.

 

[yxee]

Quick look a the map-The Duddon Channel just north of Barrow in furness looks feasible i happen to like the American option as well..
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-28009977

Long history of submarines in Barrow, sounds like a great idea. Has anyone called Sturgeon to get her opinion on the matter? Never mind.

 

[Seagull58]

Here is Julian Assange's view: -
“The U.K. is bad for the EU but also the EU is bad for the U.K.," WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange told ITV in June.

"It permits a lack of democratic accountability in this country by permitting successive governments in this country to simply say ‘oh, we are forced into doing things because of EU legislation’ when it is precisely these governments that have been behind the EU legislation in the first place," he added.

Speaking about the David Cameron government, Assange accused the administration of "laundering" decisions to the EU then claiming it can't do anything about it.

 

[Seagull58]

Long history of submarines in Barrow, sounds like a great idea. Has anyone called Sturgeon to get her opinion on the matter? Never mind.

The Trident subs were built there and they are overhauled at Devonport. I guess either location would be an option.

 

[ManOfSussex]

Quick look a the map-The Duddon Channel just north of Barrow in furness looks feasible i happen to like the American option as well..
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-28009977

I remember reading that in the run-up to the Scottish referendum. A new base would be difficult and costly but not impossible.

 

[GoldWithFalmer]

The Trident subs were built there and they are overhauled at Devonport. I guess either location would be an option.

There would be the so called safety aspects to consider and i am sure Plymouth would be of more value than Blackpool were anything to go wrong..... Sorry Blackpool.

 

[ManOfSussex]

The Trident subs were built there and they are overhauled at Devonport. I guess either location would be an option.

Storage of the warheads close to a densely populated area is the problem with Devonport.

 

[Lincoln Imp]

Meanwhile, the rest of the country is beginning to acknowledge that immigration is a legit concern for much on the UK. Whether someone is out of a job or fleeing conflicts, i don't think your mock tone is winning anyone over.

I was talking to a friend in Burgess Hill over the weekend. She had voted Remain but told me that most of her family had voted Leave. "It's them immigrants" was what I was told. Knowing her family, I doubt that many of them have ever really met an EU immigrant. I sometimes wonder how many Leave voters in Burgess Hill, or on here, have actually had their lives affected by EU immigrants. Some people have for sure and with a Lincolnshire background I know where there are problems. But generally? A lot of it, I guess, is papertalk - the Express used 'migrants' in its front page lead headline 35 times in the build up to the referendum. Old-fashioned word perhaps, but it makes me ashamed. (And Nigel's poster? Even Gove said it made him shudder.)

 

[Baldseagull]

No, I don't make any new investments. I draw income from my existing investments. You don't understand, do you? The report was produced to determine the likely impact of Brexit so that the fund managers could make appropriate investment decisions in the event of a Brexit vote.

No, you don't understand. Fund managers do not publish the analysis upon which they act.

 

[Hampster Gull]

The f**king brexiteers. They f**k up the country and then f**k off to whereever they came from. The dynamic trio, Farage, Leadsom and Gove have fallen over like the d**ks they are. It really is appalling, they promise the sunny uplands and then run like the wind when it becomes real. S**m

 

[Baldseagull]

The man is a legend as far as I am concerned as I made a shed load from Invesco Perpetual when he was running it

Past performance is not necessarily a guide to future returns, as they say.

 

[Seagull58]

No, you don't understand. Fund managers do not publish the analysis upon which they act.

It's not his analysis. It is an independent report commissioned by his company.

 

[GoldWithFalmer]

The f**king brexiteers. They f**k up the country and then f**k off to whereever they came from. The dynamic trio, Farage, Leadsom and Gove have fallen over like the d**ks they are. It really is appalling, they promise the sunny uplands and then run like the wind when it becomes real. S**m

Would you like a glass of something to wash down that bile Bitter maybe?