[Politics] Brexit

[cunning fergus]

Of course there is justification for an investigation. The Polish government are seemingly interferring with the countries judiciary, it's state broadcaster and who knows what else. Poland signed up to the EU so if you don't follow the rules then why can't the EU withdraw their voting rights? How would you feel if Cameron decided to disband the supreme court and take control of their rulings himself. What if he sacked all the managers and programme makers at the BBC and put Jeremy Hunt or Michael Gove in charge of all content and on the basis that not one programme can question government policy. What if Cameron got rid of the working directive and minimum wages. Who is going to challenge that?

The EU aren't saying that the Poles can't do what they are doing, they are just saying if you do and you are in breach of rules then you lose the right to vote alongside those other countries that are playing it fair.

No there isn't, and you are making a very poor effort to justify it.

If these rules you refer to are in fact rules, then electorates should be educated about them so we can understand just how sips ordinate our Governments are to the unelected bureaucrats of the EU.

It is only when this kind of thing happens that we do get to understand it.

It absolutely stinks.........as does anyone who supports it.

 

[Maldini]

Every heard of irony?

Yes.Your point?

 

[drew]

No there isn't, and you are making a very poor effort to justify it.

If these rules you refer to are in fact rules, then electorates should be educated about them so we can understand just how sips ordinate our Governments are to the unelected bureaucrats of the EU.

It is only when this kind of thing happens that we do get to understand it.

It absolutely stinks.........as does anyone who supports it.

Aren't the rules those that were agreed between all the countries under the various negotiated treaties?

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

Aren't the rules those that were agreed between all the countries under the various negotiated treaties?

What happens when a new government is elected? One that didn't agree to those negotiations? What happens if that new government disagrees with a small part of the agreements or indeed a larger part? The undemocratic EU takes precedence over the democratically elected representatives of that country.

Great....

Sent from the boot of Lingard

 

[drew]

What happens when a new government is elected? One that didn't agree to those negotiations? What happens if that new government disagrees with a small part of the agreements or indeed a larger part? The undemocratic EU takes precedence over the democratically elected representatives of that country.

Great....

Sent from the boot of Lingard

Fine, apply the same thing to Nato or the UN or the ECHR. Are you suggesting that everytime a government is formed they have to re ratify everything that has gone before. You could apply that to every single law of the land.

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

Fine, apply the same thing to Nato or the UN or the ECHR. Are you suggesting that everytime a government is formed they have to re ratify everything that has gone before. You could apply that to every single law of the land.

NATO and the UN etc do NOT meddle in the domestic law of their members. This is a matter for Poland and the Polish people. What has it got to do with the corrupt and self-serving EU?

Sent from the boot of Lingard

 

[Hampster Gull]

Brexit means all the Costa del Sol expats returning. I'm Remain

 

[drew]

NATO and the UN etc do NOT meddle in the domestic law of their members. This is a matter for Poland and the Polish people. What has it got to do with the corrupt and self-serving EU?

Sent from the boot of Lingard

You're sidestepping the point!

 

[drew]

Brexit means all the Costa del Sol expats returning. I'm Remain

Surely that would be a good thing. They could help restore the East End back to what it was like in the 60s!!!!

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

You're sidestepping the point!

Okay, your point was about re ratifying each time a new govt was elected. Of course not. However the EU in its present form is an outrageous BEAST which interferes in matters which concern the individual sovereignty of nations. It should not EVER stipulate on a domestic concern such as this case.

Sent from the boot of Lingard

 

[Lincoln Imp]

Yes.Your point?

My point is that I responded ironically to the only bit of sarcasm in your post; the rest of it being wild exaggeration. Perhaps it would be best if we both stopped boring everyone else with this exchange.

 

[GoldWithFalmer]

Brexit means all the Costa del Sol expats returning. I'm Remain

Is this true,then please vote Brexit and we could lose 8 million people in this country...

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Aren't the rules those that were agreed between all the countries under the various negotiated treaties?

You mean like the rules that had been laid down for the single currency in the Maastricht Treaty ... the Stability and Growth Pact .... the ones France and Germany broke. Guess what sanctions were applied to them?

 

[5ways]

You mean like the rules that had been laid down for the single currency in the Maastricht Treaty ... the Stability and Growth Pact .... the ones France and Germany broke. Guess what sanctions were applied to them?

Sounds like they need a British lesson in good governance Let's stay and make it happen.

 

[5ways]

Is this true,then please vote Brexit and we could lose 8 million people in this country...

Reminds me of the fact we export old people and import the young, which in turn pay for the old people

 

[Hampster Gull]

Is this true,then please vote Brexit and we could lose 8 million people in this country...

Yes, we get back the Costa del Sol and lose the whole,financial sector in the City. What could possibly go wrong?

 

[cunning fergus]

Aren't the rules those that were agreed between all the countries under the various negotiated treaties?

Sure, like the Lisbon Treaty, which was the re-heated European Constitution that was rejected by the French and Dutch electorates. This was the treaty that bestowed the attributes of statehood on the EU which the Labour Party committed to providing a referendum on but then didn't. This was the treaty about which Mandellson said........

"The treaty really is just a tidying-up exercise to make Europe that bit easier to run"

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/personal-view/3643337/Be-a-devil-Gordon-give-us-a-referendum.html

This will be the kind of treaty that enables the EU to subordinate democratically elected national Governments when they runn their country in such a way that unelected bureaucrats disagree with.

This is the kind of "democracy" people like you seek to defend..........it's absolutely reeks doesn't it?

 

[GoldWithFalmer]

Reminds me of the fact we export old people and import the young, which in turn pay for the old people

Would they be the young that have priced my brother out of work in London in the building trade,or the sub contrators that threaten my courier work......yep they will undercut everybody and pay a whole lot LESS in tax...

 

[Hampster Gull]

Reminds me of the fact we export old people and import the young, which in turn pay for the old people

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[Lincoln Imp]

No there isn't, and you are making a very poor effort to justify it.

If these rules you refer to are in fact rules, then electorates should be educated about them so we can understand just how sips ordinate our Governments are to the unelected bureaucrats of the EU.

It is only when this kind of thing happens that we do get to understand it.

It absolutely stinks.........as does anyone who supports it.

But surely the need for Poland to adhere to these EU standards WAS decided democratically? The standards themselves were germinated and approved by democratically elected governments and when the democratically elected government of Poland applied to become a member it freely agreed to comply with them.

And as far as I know I'm not smelly.