[Politics] Brexit

[larus]

Did they actually install him as leader though?

From WIKI.

Mario Monti, OMRI (born 19 March 1943) is an Italian economist who served as the Prime Minister of Italy, despite being unelected, from 2011 to 2013, leading a government of technocrats in the wake of the Italian debt crisis.

 

[Soulman]

Everyone will have different experiences and I don't take it for granted not everyone wins. But across the whole economy wages have not fallen due to inward EU migration, but due to the recession, and that greater numbers of EU migrants create greater demand in the economy. They also are a net benefit to the treasury and pay more in tax than they take in services.

You are not in the construction industry are you?....... " wages have not fallen due to inward EU migration,"..... give your head a wobble.

 

[5ways]

Now you know all matters Eurozone are beyond our remit. Remember we are only a tier 2 member. Not the Platinum club members pack, more the Lidl loyalty card.

I think you may be talking down our Special Status in Europe

 

[GoldWithFalmer]

Everyone will have different experiences and I don't take it for granted not everyone wins. But across the whole economy wages have not fallen due to inward EU migration, but due to the recession, and that greater numbers of EU migrants create greater demand in the economy. They also are a net benefit to the treasury and pay more in tax than they take in services.

Well i have already voted out by post so my vote is cast,no you are right their will be winners and losers,many of the winners will be happy to send money back to their countries of origin,happy to do the bare minimum as far as integrate into our country,happy to share a house with many others in the same situation,the one goal to make money and eventually leave the country.....and no pay rises for many people for years results as a pay decrease in real terms in my book....

 

[Lincoln Imp]

From WIKI.

Mario Monti, OMRI (born 19 March 1943) is an Italian economist who served as the Prime Minister of Italy, despite being unelected, from 2011 to 2013, leading a government of technocrats in the wake of the Italian debt crisis.

Bit like Winston Churchill, Harold Macmillan, George Brown and Jim Callaghan then. Who were they agents of?

 

[The Rivet]

I think you may be talking down our Special Status in Europe

The only special status we have is 'cash cow'.

 

[GT49er]

Not worried, the new EU Army led by the Germans will keep Europe safe.

I think that nice Mr. Cameron was warning us that the war would involve us fighting some or all of them (he wasn't specific about our exact opponents, or times and dates; probably hadn't got round to making those details up).

 

[The Rivet]

Bit like Winston Churchill, Harold Macmillan, George Brown and Jim Callaghan then. Who were they agents of?

Please do explain, you leave me wondering.

 

[5ways]

You are not in the construction industry are you?....... " wages have not fallen due to inward EU migration,"..... give your head a wobble.

Crazy but true


About 70% of EU immigrants say they come to the UK because of work-related reasons, as
opposed to study or joining their families (ONS, 2016). Since immigration increases the total
number of people in work or looking for employment, does that mean that UK workers must
have been harmed by this increased competition for jobs?

The short answer is ‘no’. Believing otherwise is called the ‘lump of labour fallacy’. There
would be harm only if the total number of jobs is fixed and only where immigrants compete
for a particular job. But since immigrants also consume local services and goods, this increases
demand and so raises job prospects of those who produce those goods and services. Adding an
immigrant raises the population, just like a rise in the birth rate or a fall in the death rate. Over
the last 100 years, the UK population has grown by around 50% but the unemployment rate
has not trended inexorably upward.
But even if there is no reason to think that immigration should increase unemployment, is it
not obvious that an increase in the supply of workers must drive wages down? Again, it isn’t
necessarily so. Alongside the increased demand that a rising population brings, greater
movement of labour allows countries to specialise in what they are best at, just like increased
trade. Firms will change the mix of their products to account for the new skills available to
them. Immigrants, especially if they are more skilled, can boost productivity. All these effects
will tend to increase wages.
Consequently, the impact of immigration on UK-born workers is an empirical question and not
a foregone conclusion. We need to look at data for evidence.
...


Since then wages had fallen by about 10% – a decline unprecedented since the 1950s. The LSE researchers said the fall occurred when EU immigration was rising – but added that the big pre-crash gains in real wages for UK workers had also coincided with rising migration. As a result, they concluded that the fall in wages was caused by the “great recession”.


http://cep.lse.ac.uk/pubs/download/brexit05.pdf

Wages for those on the lowest rung have fallen by 1% over 8 years due to inward migration according to Bank of England analysis.

 

[brighton fella]

Great immigrants are being smuggled in to such places as Chichester now !! Merkel opens her big fat gob and they all come flooding in.

It's about time we freed ourselves from this sh*thole before things get any worse,

Vote LEAVE before it's too late..

 

[GT49er]

Bit like Winston Churchill, Harold Macmillan, George Brown and Jim Callaghan then.

I think you'll find that none of them were ever Prime Minister of Italy. Be very surprised if any of them were born in 1943 either.

 

[drew]

Bit like Winston Churchill, Harold Macmillan, George Brown and Jim Callaghan then. Who were they agents of?

So the EU didn't actually install him as Italian leader then. He was an economist that had worked as a commissioner at the EU. He was subsequently made a life senator by the Italian President (not the EU Presidency) and it was the Italian President that invited him to form a coalition government.

 

[cunning fergus]

But surely the need for Poland to adhere to these EU standards WAS decided democratically? The standards themselves were germinated and approved by democratically elected governments and when the democratically elected government of Poland applied to become a member it freely agreed to comply with them.

And as far as I know I'm not smelly.

Was it?

If you are right then the people of Poland will reflect on this situation calmly, and conclude as you have that their Government has signed up to a institution which has the power to restrict its own Government's sovereignty.

Of all the countries in Europe Poland has a long recent history of being subordinate, I have a feeling the Polish electorate will not be as sanguine as you evidently are about this position.

In my experience people who stink rarely know they stink, it's why at work they have to be told that they ****ing stink. Sensitively of course.

 

[5ways]

Well i have already voted out by post so my vote is cast,no you are right their will be winners and losers,many of the winners will be happy to send money back to their countries of origin,happy to do the bare minimum as far as integrate into our country,happy to share a house with many others in the same situation,the one goal to make money and eventually leave the country.....and no pay rises for many people for years results as a pay decrease in real terms in my book....

Yes some will do the bare minimum, but many more have created a life here. Just take a walk in Brighton and it's every European under the sun and it seems okay to me. No pay rises for many - yes. I graduated in the aftermath of the financial crisis - it sucks. But has little to do overall with EU migration. Overall the effect is positive but that is not true for everyone. Also people who come here short-term often fill a labour shortage and the leave when the work dries up, that's no bad thing either.

 

[portslade seagull]

I think you'll find that none of them were ever Prime Minister of Italy. Be very surprised if any of them were born in 1943 either.

Yes but his mate DC told him they were so he believed it !!

 

[GoldWithFalmer]

Yes some will do the bare minimum, but many more have created a life here. Just take a walk in Brighton and it's every European under the sun and it seems okay to me. No pay rises for many - yes. I graduated in the aftermath of the financial crisis - it sucks. But has little to do overall with EU migration. Overall the effect is positive but that is not true for everyone. Also people who come here short-term often fill a labour shortage and the leave when the work dries up, that's no bad thing either.

Brighton is an exception,it's a very special town that is all too often taken for granted...i don't live there anymore becoming too European for my liking,don't bother going into it too often either....spent over 40 years there.........

Brighton will end up being not so special in years to come due to too many outsiders ruining the place.

 

[GT49er]

Yes but his mate DC told him they were so he believed it !!

Fair enough - I knew there must be a explanation somewhere!

 

[The Rivet]

Fair enough - I knew there must be a explanation somewhere!

Lincoln Imp needs to be a political guest at the big house on Greetwell Road. The residents would welcome him with open arms.

 

[drew]

Was it?

If you are right then the people of Poland will reflect on this situation calmly, and conclude as you have that their Government has signed up to a institution which has the power to restrict its own Government's sovereignty.

Of all the countries in Europe Poland has a long recent history of being subordinate, I have a feeling the Polish electorate will not be as sanguine as you evidently are about this position.

In my experience people who stink rarely know they stink, it's why at work they have to be told that they ****ing stink. Sensitively of course.

Or to put it another way, the 63% of the Polish electorate that didn't vote for the current government might take exception to that government interfering with their constitution just because it suits them.

 

[The Rivet]

Or to put it another way, the 63% of the Polish electorate that didn't vote for the current government might take exception to that government interfering with their constitution just because it suits them.

Possibly, that's a matter for them to sort. Not the EU.