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Rusthall Seagull
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still waiting Mr Reich...or have you used up your quota of brain cells for today ?
Southover Street Seagull
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That is exactly how I saw it, I've seen plenty of posts by The Spanish and he does have some left wing views, but I can't believe you have Bushy coming across in this thread as pro-union!
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A few middle class students rebelling against mummy and daddy maybe, but people in the real world know that these communist front groups incite the breaking up of political opponents meetings, hounding them out of their jobs, attacking physically people they disagree with and bringing mayhem and disorder to the streets of Britain. They are the true fascists, and of course no one elected them. The irony is lost on them, but I'm not surprised.
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you are being a tad hasty.
The EDL are the threat to national samosa munching unity, as we are being told.
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that just proves what a blinkered innaccurate view you have of me and my politics, you literally cannot see past your " has un-pc thoughts of immigration and its effect on society=nazi" stance.
Southover Street Seagull
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this is the reason why we cant move forward in this country. he represents all that is wrong with the trades union movement in todays economics and politics. i dont object to there being unions at all but its time to grow up.
today i read that a train driver is typically on £50k. i think that sounds like an awful lot for sitting and pushing a lever, but we'll let that go for now. When asked if he thought that £50k employees could be considered working class he says yes: they turn up to work and take orders from an employer, therefore they are working class. His definition.
Then when asked if bankers are not the same, he acknowledged cashiers are different but the chaps "gambling" are part of the ruling elite.
oh, so they neither turn up for work or follow orders eitherno. so really, what he means is they are not working class because he says so, even though they meet his own definition.
such breathtaking double standards and contradiction.
the sooner these dinosaurs leave trades unions and they catch up with reality, the sooner we might be able to actually address real issues.
enjoy the afternoon
This website says the average wage is £35,036, and I think that is a fair wage considering the amount of peoples lives are in the hands of a train driver.
Train Driver Average Salary
Southover Street Seagull
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Whoa there!
From reading your posts over years I have come to think you as a Conservative from your views on business and the economy and also it seems your slightly anti-union stance.
I don't think you are a Nazi at all, although your views and mine on immigration differ slightly. Just to make one thing clear my view is that people can be racist and left wing or right wing.
I wasn't having a go at you, I was just surprised as this is the first time I can remember seeing a post that you have written where you have come across as pro-union.
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fair enough , no problem,just for your info, my pro union stance is probably shaped by the wapping strike, which my dad took part in for over a year.
Southover Street Seagull
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Fair enough, just for your info, I am left wing, but am not terribly liberal about a lot of things, am also a trade union rep at work and wholeheartedly believe in the trade union movement, for all its failings that is has at times.
My union is currently in a struggle with our employer in which if we don't win we believe the union will be finished.
The Wapping Dispute must have been hard for your old man.
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it took its toll, as for union leaders and their membership, i have a bit of a lions led by donkeys view, that means national leadership btw not union rep level !!
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Firstly, my political leanings are towards the left and I am a paid up member of Unite. I opened the thread expecting there to be some Daily Mail rant about some racist malingering train driver that has been given the full support of the RMT by bringing out the masses on strike.
What I see is someone complaining about the predictable rantings of the leader of the RMT in declaring his support for his own membership. And with that the whole union movement is held up as the root cause of evil in this country.
Bob Crow is at the extreme end of unionism. There are plenty of unionist that are pragmatic when it comes to the economy. Take for example Simpson of Unite. Take also the case of the RCN, a union representing one of the most undervalued professions in society yet they never strike. They frequently get treated like shit by the media and are always blamed for everything that is wrong with the health service such as MSRA and C.dif. They were for years considerably underpaid and, to some extent, still are.
To sum up, there are unionists who give the movement a bad name and who live in the late 70s and early 80s but they do not represent the majority. If it were not for the union movement, we would not have the society we have today. There would be no NHS. Kids would probably be forced to work, there would be no sick pay at work, no maternity or paternity benefits. Women would never get close to having equal rights and would probably be at home in a baby factory as most of the little buggers would not survive cause no one could afford the medicines etc.
There are bad unionists at one end of the spectrum and at the other there are greedy self serving bankers/industrialists who are busy lining their own pockets.
What I want to know is hoe they calculate this. In effect, the amount can only equal the amount of money spent by someone or some company in another country because they couldn't spend it here. If you and I can't get to Tesco for the weekly shop because of a bus strike on Wednesday, what's the betting we will go there on Thursday. Tesco haven't lost out as what they lost on Wednesday they gained on Thursday. I appreciate that in the global economy it is a bit more complicated than that but how many deals fail because someone couldn't get a train. Most people doing international deals probably remain in contact on one of those mobile phones.
So, can someone tell me how they calculate these loses?
What I see is someone complaining about the predictable rantings of the leader of the RMT in declaring his support for his own membership. And with that the whole union movement is held up as the root cause of evil in this country.
Bob Crow is at the extreme end of unionism. There are plenty of unionist that are pragmatic when it comes to the economy. Take for example Simpson of Unite. Take also the case of the RCN, a union representing one of the most undervalued professions in society yet they never strike. They frequently get treated like shit by the media and are always blamed for everything that is wrong with the health service such as MSRA and C.dif. They were for years considerably underpaid and, to some extent, still are.
To sum up, there are unionists who give the movement a bad name and who live in the late 70s and early 80s but they do not represent the majority. If it were not for the union movement, we would not have the society we have today. There would be no NHS. Kids would probably be forced to work, there would be no sick pay at work, no maternity or paternity benefits. Women would never get close to having equal rights and would probably be at home in a baby factory as most of the little buggers would not survive cause no one could afford the medicines etc.
There are bad unionists at one end of the spectrum and at the other there are greedy self serving bankers/industrialists who are busy lining their own pockets.
What I want to know is hoe they calculate this. In effect, the amount can only equal the amount of money spent by someone or some company in another country because they couldn't spend it here. If you and I can't get to Tesco for the weekly shop because of a bus strike on Wednesday, what's the betting we will go there on Thursday. Tesco haven't lost out as what they lost on Wednesday they gained on Thursday. I appreciate that in the global economy it is a bit more complicated than that but how many deals fail because someone couldn't get a train. Most people doing international deals probably remain in contact on one of those mobile phones.
So, can someone tell me how they calculate these loses?
sten_super
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No, I said 'binfest', not discussion. If there is a binfest on here, it's started out as a discussion, and someone's lowered it to accusations of 'wooly liberals', 'tax dodgers', 'middle-class idiots living in leafy Sussex with no idea of the real world' instead of bothering to actually have any kind debate, then you, bushy and Das Reich will be right at the heart of it.
The Spanish
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the fact that you attempt to define discussion v binfest, as if they both existed equally outside the minds of internet nerds, instead of just one doing so, has cheered me up no end.
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for binfest, read discussion where someone has actualy taken issue and disagreed with the smug , out of touch pronouncements of the knitting circle of simster and his cohorts.
Not really bushy, no. This is fairly typical. I offer an opinion, which was followed by some crass angry attempted put down by your pet marmoset:
And that is normally the case. If it's not him, it's you saying "maybe in your pink fluffy world" or some such GUBBINS.
And that is normally the case. If it's not him, it's you saying "maybe in your pink fluffy world" or some such GUBBINS.
Pointing out to you that not everyone lives their lives in fear of being over-run by nappy throwing Somalians, does not make folk 'out of touch', you know?
The Spanish
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gubbins. Please do yourself a favour from time to time.
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Bangladeshis. Get it right FFS.
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no doubt you arent living in fear in multi cultural chandlers ford, you beggar f***ing belief , you really do.