BNP's Election Broadcast

[Silent Bob]

BNP are not racist's, just standing up for what they believe in.

Racism doesn't mean not standing up for what you believe in, it means being racist.

 

[beorhthelm]

No, he has just stated his opinion on the article, hardly 'shouting him down'.

dismissing as "absurd" and "laughable" are not how you start sensible debate.

perfectly illustrates that no side seems capable of a proper discourse on the subject, it seems as if there is no middle ground (at least thats the impression i get).

 

[Les Biehn]

India would not tolerate millions of non-Indians taking over that society.

To be fair they didn't have much choice.

 

[coventrygull]

So explain to me the difference between that and good old fashioned racism.

What has ethno nationalism got to do racism. Many people all over the world of different races and cultures define themselves in ethnic terms. You are even asked about it when filling out forms. what is your ethnicity? Recently they had a white English option. They didn't have a black option for this but did for the usual British option.

Its quite funny how its the liberals and their side kicks the marxist. Defined people in racial terms and now its blowing up in their faces

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

To be fair they didn't have much choice.

Nicely put.

 

[simmo]

The debate on immigration has rarely been properly had because it's such a long, drawn out, almost unsolvable issue.

What doesn't help (and this is where the name-calling starts) is when someone kicks off the debate with an extremist, ill-though out viewpoint (someone will say 'close the borders, stop immigration' the next will say 'everyone's welcome'). There's no sensible debate to be had with that, and the likes of the Daily Mail or the two-bit drivel in The Socialist Worker really don't help one bit.

Somewhere in the middle there will be a broad consensus that has to be fluid in its resolution - there's no one-size-fits-all answer.

But it's good we're having the debate.

Ok I do agree with that, but the Tories are not an extremist organisation, they are a main stream political party with numerous non white members and whose previous leader was Jewish. I have seen left wing politicians, left wing journalists and trades union leaders implying their immigration policies were racist time and again on things like question time, so that in the end the Cons have actually dropped immigration control of their main agenda. But it doesn't solve the problem and still in certain areas of the country the problems with mass immigration goes on and people like the BNP fill the vacuum.

 

[simmo]

dismissing as "absurd" and "laughable" are not how you start sensible debate.

What and you putting this little man falling down and not counter arguing against my points is having a sensible debate is it?

 

[beorhthelm]

BNP are not racist's, just standing up for what they believe in.

no really, they are. they wish to see all immigration end and repatriation of all-non whites (by whatever definition) to their "homelands". this is based on race, ergo rascist.

Can anyone imagine Saudi Arabia allowing the mass immigration of Christians, so that in a few decades it would no longer be an Islamic country?

no. is somthing similar happening here? no. theres just a bunch of racists who fear such things, precious PCers who fight every little thing that might offend and fuel the racists fears, and a few muslim nutters who are no different to other religious nutters wanting everything done according to their favorite cover version of scripture. sooner we get rid of the racists, the sooner the PCers have no ground to protect and we can all get along and enjoy ourselfs, occasionally laughing at the nutters.

What and you... not counter arguing against my points is having a sensible debate is it?

i was merely highlighting the contradiction and wozza illustrates the point so well. have fun with smilies.

 

[Weatherman]

I'm sure most people are quite tolerant towards immigrants.
Unfortunately the government has been totally irresponsible in letting so many in, putting a huge burden on housing and already stretched transport, education, NHS services and the benefits system.

 

[Kumquat]

Ok I do agree with that, but the Tories are not an extremist organisation, they are a main stream political party with numerous non white members and whose previous leader was Jewish. I have seen left wing politicians, left wing journalists and trades union leaders implying their immigration policies were racist time and again on things like question time, so that in the end the Cons have actually dropped immigration control of their main agenda. But it doesn't solve the problem and still in certain areas of the country the problems with mass immigration goes on and people like the BNP fill the vacuum.

Go and read the Sun and the Daily Mail. It's the same just the other way. Complete slurs that the lib dems want "uncontrolled" immigration using terms like "swamped" etc. I agree that too many people glibly say the tories are underlyingly racist and this constricts a debate but can you not see that by singly blaming it on the left wing you are contributing to it? We need to have an amnesty on immigration pronouncements and start from scratch.

 

[Danny-Boy]

That's a waste of their deposit then.

There is more chance of Gordon Brown changing his name to Wendy and announcing he's having gender reassignment surgery next Friday morning, than of any candidate other than Nicholas Soames winning Mid Sussex.

And frankly even if the Conservatives decided (for a laugh) not to contest the seat, the BNP's single issue campaigning wouldn't hold much weight in the leafy lanes of middle class Mid Sussex. I doubt there's many people living in Burgess Hill or Haywards Heath that are ranting about losing jobs to immigrants.

Well that's interesting because my intelligence is that the Mid-Sus(sex)ers who were sent to shore up Nigel Waterson in Eastbourne have all been told to go back to help Churchill's heir keep his seat.

Going through the outskirts of Haywards Heath a week ago I saw one board for Soamesy and one board for the LD challenger. That was all.

I think Gordy would make quite a good transexual...

 

[simmo]

Go and read the Sun and the Daily Mail. It's the same just the other way. Complete slurs that the lib dems want "uncontrolled" immigration using terms like "swamped" etc. I agree that too many people glibly say the tories are underlyingly racist and this constricts a debate but can you not see that by singly blaming it on the left wing you are contributing to it? We need to have an amnesty on immigration pronouncements and start from scratch.

I agree such scaremongering is wrong and it does not allow for a sensible debate, but this has only really happened in the last two weeks when the Liberals have seemed to have a major chance of power following Clegg's good showing, not for the last ten years or so with the Tories.

 

[Danny-Boy]

By the way I've just seen a BNP leaflet and Nick Griffin clearly has a "wonky" eye. His left eye is looking in a different direction from his right. Has he had a stroke or something?

 

[The Large One]

Ok I do agree with that, but the Tories are not an extremist organisation, they are a main stream political party with numerous non white members and whose previous leader was Jewish. I have seen left wing politicians, left wing journalists and trades union leaders implying their immigration policies were racist time and again on things like question time, so that in the end the Cons have actually dropped immigration control of their main agenda. But it doesn't solve the problem and still in certain areas of the country the problems with mass immigration goes on and people like the BNP fill the vacuum.

The manner is the old left and the old right trading insults. "You're a bunch of racists..." says one side; "Why don't you piss off to Russia...?" say the other. Like that ever helped a debate.

It's interesting you should mention the previous leader being Jewish. Leon Brittain and Nigel Lawson were abused and scorned for their Jewish heritage by members of the Conservative Parliamentary Party while they were in the Cabinet.

 

[User removed 4]

So the flat is rented on an open market and the Poles applied for it. How is that different from anyone else ?

what part of tenants of the housing association, IE not open market are you having difficulty with ?

 

[Kumquat]

I agree such scaremongering is wrong and it does not allow for a sensible debate, but this has only really happened in the last two weeks when the Liberals have seemed to have a major chance of power following Clegg's good showing, not for the last ten years or so with the Tories.

It's increased in the last two weeks - quite a lot too I admit and for the reasons you say, but these newspapers have been peddling this stuff for years. Every time the left starts a debate they get slurred just the same as the right do. That is what is happening this week. It doesn't just happen on immigration, it happens on many things but immigration is an emotive policy and that is why the proper debate never happens.

 

[simmo]

The manner is the old left and the old right trading insults. "You're a bunch of racists..." says one side; "Why don't you piss off to Russia...?" say the other. Like that ever helped a debate.

It's interesting you should mention the previous leader being Jewish. Leon Brittain and Nigel Lawson were abused and scorned for their Jewish heritage by members of the Conservative Parliamentary Party while they were in the Cabinet.

Well what you state about Brittain and Lawson is open to conjecture and I should imagine any politician whom has gained access to the highest of cabinet posts of any party whom is Jewish has had to put up with some with some racist insult somewhere along the line in his career (because of petty jelousness of what they have achieved). However, the fact that Michael Howard, Nigel Lawson and Leon Brittain can reach the absolute top echelons of the Concervative party and governement of this land shows that the Tories are not racist.....and if Tory party politicians whom bring up immigration controls aren't shouted down as being racist the first minute they suggest any controls we may have a more sensible debate on the subject.

 

[User removed 4]

dismissing as "absurd" and "laughable" are not how you start sensible debate.

perfectly illustrates that no side seems capable of a proper discourse on the subject, it seems as if there is no middle ground (at least thats the impression i get).

Unfortunately i consider parts of his piece absurd and laughable , so i dont know how you think people should comment ?

 

[Pavilionaire]

To put this in perspective, this thread will get more posts than the BNP will get votes in Burgess Hill.

It staggers me that such an inconsequential party generates so much interest. I think the debate is actually less about the BNP itself and more about people flexing their "multicultural" muscles...

 

[Dandyman]

what part of tenants of the housing association, IE not open market are you having difficulty with ?

Your previous post said it was rented on the open market. Make your mind up.