Well they did try and massage the Holocaust figures in 1945 - Six million? Nah it was only a few thousand really.
(with apologise to Simster for hijacking his thread)
Hertha Berlin had 75k at home the other week and Schalke 60k
The Bundesliga averages around 10k per game more than Premier League...
Code:Team Total Average 1 Borussia Dortmund 884,540 80,412 2 Bayern Munich 828,000 69,000 3 Schalke 04 731,676 60,973 4 VfB Stuttgart 658,024 54,835 5 Hertha Berlin 586,178 53,288 6 Hamburg SV 636,455 53,037 7 Borussia Monchengladbach 617,394 51,449 8 FC Cologne 562,000 46,833 9 Hannover 96 484,935 44,085 10 Kaiserslautern 460,119 41,829 11 Werder Bremen 446,333 40,575 12 Nurnberg 441,468 40,133 13 Mainz 393,283 32,773 14 FC Augsburg 330,421 30,038 15 Bayer Leverkusen 310,094 28,190 16 TSG Hoffenheim 301,330 27,393 17 VfL Wolfsburg 328,191 27,349 18 SC Freiburg 265,000 22,083 German Bundesliga - Unofficial Average Attendance: 44,760
Code:Team Total Average 1 Manchester United 979,529 75,348 2 Arsenal 779,444 59,957 3 Newcastle United 639,378 49,182 4 Manchester City 611,296 47,022 5 Liverpool 537,726 44,810 6 Chelsea 540,687 41,591 7 Sunderland 499,993 38,461 8 Tottenham Hotspur 468,941 36,072 9 Aston Villa 445,550 34,273 10 Everton 430,309 33,100 11 Stoke City 353,476 27,190 12 Norwich City 345,116 26,547 13 Wolverhampton Wanderers 333,280 25,636 14 Fulham 328,083 25,237 15 West Bromwich Albion 320,001 24,615 16 Bolton Wanderers 305,926 23,532 17 Blackburn Rovers 288,236 22,172 18 Swansea City 259,087 19,929 19 Wigan Athletic 231,584 17,814 20 Queens Park Rangers 221,617 17,047 Barclays Premier League - Unofficial Average Attendance: 34,437
I was at the game with two Charlton supporting mates and I can guarantee you it was packed. Probably managed to sell more due to the fact stevenage only had half of the away stand with the other half given to the home fans.
Germany does have around 25 million more people than England though and football is still reasonably priced in comparison.
Is their football well supported further down the pyramid though, or is it simply that a large population concentrates its support on 20-30 teams.
Surely, nowhere in Europe can match the levels of support witnessed in England across 5 divisions?
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If you recall, I said 17,000 was more than their team deserves. What bit of this are you arguing? If it's a point lost on me then it's a point lost on 90% of football fans. How many clubs don't see their support dwindle as they slump down the league?
hark at this one !I've heard he eats babies and help spread bird flu.
I've clearly got to find something better to do, but I've been thinking about the Bradford team I saw earlier in the season. They had Craig Fagan playing up front, who was playing for Hull in the Premier League a couple of years ago. He should be tearing that league apart, but he doesn't seem bothered. They had Matt Duke in goal, who was also in that Hull team (well, he played once or twice) and they had Michael Flynn in the midfield who was a handy player against us in League 1. The quality of their team is nowhere near the sum of all its parts. Their support isn't in question, for support they are probably the biggest club in the division. Swindon might argue with that, but they've been massively helped by cheap tickets, and a good team this season. Their season tickets are going up £91 next season (promotion or no promotion) so that will affect their numbers.
I believe that Bradford still have more STH's than Palace this season and have done for the last 3 or 4 seasons.
Another trick which many clubs get up to is count away fans who POTD as being part of the home crowd to make it look like more locals have turned up for the game.
another muggy comment , stop grovelling around on the floor and accept you're not the smug fucker you think you are
My brain hurts now. I think Bradford'a support is impressive. So does Simster. So do you.
Why are we debating this again?
I love this table. WHEN we are in the Premier League averaging 28,000+ (every chance of this inside 3 years or so) we will be getting the 11th best crowds in it and will only be behind a top ten of the biggest clubs in the country...Code:Team Total Average 1 Manchester United 979,529 75,348 2 Arsenal 779,444 59,957 3 Newcastle United 639,378 49,182 4 Manchester City 611,296 47,022 5 Liverpool 537,726 44,810 6 Chelsea 540,687 41,591 7 Sunderland 499,993 38,461 8 Tottenham Hotspur 468,941 36,072 9 Aston Villa 445,550 34,273 10 Everton 430,309 33,100 11 Stoke City 353,476 27,190 12 Norwich City 345,116 26,547 13 Wolverhampton Wanderers 333,280 25,636 14 Fulham 328,083 25,237 15 West Bromwich Albion 320,001 24,615 16 Bolton Wanderers 305,926 23,532 17 Blackburn Rovers 288,236 22,172 18 Swansea City 259,087 19,929 19 Wigan Athletic 231,584 17,814 20 Queens Park Rangers 221,617 17,047
I love this table. WHEN we are in the Premier League averaging 28,000+ (every chance of this inside 3 years or so) we will be getting the 11th best crowds in it and will only be behind a top ten of the biggest clubs in the country...
We have come an awfully long way.
Is their football well supported further down the pyramid though, or is it simply that a large population concentrates its support on 20-30 teams.
Surely, nowhere in Europe can match the levels of support witnessed in England across 5 divisions?