Big crowds further down the league yesterday

[Sussex Nomad]

A true reflection of what Edna has been posting about you... you have nothing to add... you're just an NSC rash I guess.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

What's a WUM

school boy humour

 

[Bozza]

I'm not sure I'm quite siding with [MENTION=11191]Das Reich[/MENTION] but even putting a 'sensible ticket pricing policy' aside, it's impressive to see such numbers coming out to support their club.

And that's the point isn't it? Real football supporters will support their club nomatter the state of the team at the time. I can understand how this point would be lost on [MENTION=232]Simster[/MENTION] however.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

A true reflection of what Edna has been posting about you... you have nothing to add... you're just an NSC rash I guess.

i guess everyone's right about me then , be assured you're all barking up the wrong tree . SHALL WE AGREE TO DISAGREE

 

[Sussex Nomad]

SHALL WE AGREE TO DISAGREE

Best way.

 

[Ninja Elephant]

I've clearly got to find something better to do, but I've been thinking about the Bradford team I saw earlier in the season. They had Craig Fagan playing up front, who was playing for Hull in the Premier League a couple of years ago. He should be tearing that league apart, but he doesn't seem bothered. They had Matt Duke in goal, who was also in that Hull team (well, he played once or twice) and they had Michael Flynn in the midfield who was a handy player against us in League 1. The quality of their team is nowhere near the sum of all its parts. Their support isn't in question, for support they are probably the biggest club in the division. Swindon might argue with that, but they've been massively helped by cheap tickets, and a good team this season. Their season tickets are going up £91 next season (promotion or no promotion) so that will affect their numbers.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

i'm not sure i'm quite siding with [MENTION=11191]Das Reich[/MENTION] but even putting a 'sensible ticket pricing policy' aside, it's impressive to see such numbers coming out to support their club.

And that's the point isn't it? Real football supporters will support their club nomatter the state of the team at the time. I can understand how this point would be lost on [MENTION=232]Simster[/MENTION] however.

nail on head

 

[Simster]

And that's the point isn't it? Real football supporters will support their club nomatter the state of the team at the time. I can understand how this point would be lost on [MENTION=232]Simster[/MENTION] however.

2/10

If you recall, I said 17,000 was more than their team deserves. What bit of this are you arguing? If it's a point lost on me then it's a point lost on 90% of football fans. How many clubs don't see their support dwindle as they slump down the league?

 

[The Grockle]

I think Das Reich helped prepare the Ipswich banner.

I've heard he eats babies and help spread bird flu.

 

[Couldn't Be Hyypia]

1st Jan 1985 - can't have been more than 4,000 at The Valley to watch Brightin beat Charlton - and we had many more there than they did. Crowds come and go. Enjoy the big crowds while you can - cos it won't always be like this.

 

[Vatican Citys No.2 Keeper]

Charlton do the same as Palace and include non shows in their figures. Plus they had offers going on for that game.

I was at the game with two Charlton supporting mates and I can guarantee you it was packed. Probably managed to sell more due to the fact stevenage only had half of the away stand with the other half given to the home fans.

 

[Cheeky Monkey]

Only two matches played in the Bundesliga this weekend gone:

Bayern at home - 69,000
Dortmund at home - 80,720

Makes the Premiership look a bit small time really, and this is a league that rarely produces competitive Champions League teams either.

 

[Sussex Nomad]

Only two matches played in the Bundesliga this weekend gone:

Bayern at home - 69,000
Dortmund at home - 80,720

Makes the Premiership look a bit small time really, and this is a league that rarely produces competitive Champions League teams either.

Hmmmm ManUre regularly get 75k and Arsenal 60k ... are we really small time in England?

 

[Ninja Elephant]

Hmmmm ManUre regularly get 75k and Arsenal 60k ... are we really small time in England?

Well, that's what Arsenal declare, anyway...

 

[Sussex Nomad]

Well, that's what Arsenal declare, anyway...

And what's to say Dortmund and/or Bayern don't follow the same model?

 

[Bozza]

The Bundesliga averages around 10k per game more than Premier League...

	Team	Total	Average
1	Borussia Dortmund	884,540	80,412
2	Bayern Munich	828,000	69,000
3	Schalke 04	731,676	60,973
4	VfB Stuttgart	658,024	54,835
5	Hertha Berlin	586,178	53,288
6	Hamburg SV	636,455	53,037
7	Borussia Monchengladbach	617,394	51,449
8	FC Cologne	562,000	46,833
9	Hannover 96	484,935	44,085
10	Kaiserslautern	460,119	41,829
11	Werder Bremen	446,333	40,575
12	Nurnberg	441,468	40,133
13	Mainz	393,283	32,773
14	FC Augsburg	330,421	30,038
15	Bayer Leverkusen	310,094	28,190
16	TSG Hoffenheim	301,330	27,393
17	VfL Wolfsburg	328,191	27,349
18	SC Freiburg	265,000	22,083

German Bundesliga - Unofficial Average Attendance: 44,760

 	Team	Total	Average
1	Manchester United	979,529	75,348
2	Arsenal	779,444	59,957
3	Newcastle United	639,378	49,182
4	Manchester City	611,296	47,022
5	Liverpool	537,726	44,810
6	Chelsea	540,687	41,591
7	Sunderland	499,993	38,461
8	Tottenham Hotspur	468,941	36,072
9	Aston Villa	445,550	34,273
10	Everton	430,309	33,100
11	Stoke City	353,476	27,190
12	Norwich City	345,116	26,547
13	Wolverhampton Wanderers	333,280	25,636
14	Fulham	328,083	25,237
15	West Bromwich Albion	320,001	24,615
16	Bolton Wanderers	305,926	23,532
17	Blackburn Rovers	288,236	22,172
18	Swansea City	259,087	19,929
19	Wigan Athletic	231,584	17,814
20	Queens Park Rangers	221,617	17,047

Barclays Premier League - Unofficial Average Attendance: 34,437

 

[Ninja Elephant]

And what's to say Dortmund and/or Bayern don't follow the same model?

It's a fair point, we don't know. I did watch Bayern's game (they beat Schalke 2-0), and the stadium did look packed and Dortmund are renowned for their incredible support. Who knows. I can't imagine the Germans wanting to pad the figures though, doesn't really seem their form.

 

[Sussex Nomad]

And you can see quite clearly by that [MENTION=6886]Bozza[/MENTION] that the World Cup obviously helped them with bigger ground capacities throughout the division. Once you get past the two North East clubs and Man U and Arsenal, our clubs are all 40k's and below.

 

[Cheeky Monkey]

It's a fair point, we don't know. I did watch Bayern's game (they beat Schalke 2-0), and the stadium did look packed and Dortmund are renowned for their incredible support. Who knows. I can't imagine the Germans wanting to pad the figures though, doesn't really seem their form.

Well they did try and massage the Holocaust figures in 1945 - Six million? Nah it was only a few thousand really.

(with apologise to Simster for hijacking his thread)

 

[The Grockle]

The Bundesliga averages around 10k per game more than Premier League...

	Team	Total	Average
1	Borussia Dortmund	884,540	80,412
2	Bayern Munich	828,000	69,000
3	Schalke 04	731,676	60,973
4	VfB Stuttgart	658,024	54,835
5	Hertha Berlin	586,178	53,288
6	Hamburg SV	636,455	53,037
7	Borussia Monchengladbach	617,394	51,449
8	FC Cologne	562,000	46,833
9	Hannover 96	484,935	44,085
10	Kaiserslautern	460,119	41,829
11	Werder Bremen	446,333	40,575
12	Nurnberg	441,468	40,133
13	Mainz	393,283	32,773
14	FC Augsburg	330,421	30,038
15	Bayer Leverkusen	310,094	28,190
16	TSG Hoffenheim	301,330	27,393
17	VfL Wolfsburg	328,191	27,349
18	SC Freiburg	265,000	22,083

German Bundesliga - Unofficial Average Attendance: 44,760

 	Team	Total	Average
1	Manchester United	979,529	75,348
2	Arsenal	779,444	59,957
3	Newcastle United	639,378	49,182
4	Manchester City	611,296	47,022
5	Liverpool	537,726	44,810
6	Chelsea	540,687	41,591
7	Sunderland	499,993	38,461
8	Tottenham Hotspur	468,941	36,072
9	Aston Villa	445,550	34,273
10	Everton	430,309	33,100
11	Stoke City	353,476	27,190
12	Norwich City	345,116	26,547
13	Wolverhampton Wanderers	333,280	25,636
14	Fulham	328,083	25,237
15	West Bromwich Albion	320,001	24,615
16	Bolton Wanderers	305,926	23,532
17	Blackburn Rovers	288,236	22,172
18	Swansea City	259,087	19,929
19	Wigan Athletic	231,584	17,814
20	Queens Park Rangers	221,617	17,047

Barclays Premier League - Unofficial Average Attendance: 34,437

Germany does have around 25 million more people than England though and football is still reasonably priced in comparison.