Then afterwards we can pretend he scored every shot, every chance to shoot, and set up everyone else's goals, and single handedly stopped our opponents scoring.
Or we can judge him on what his performances were instead of what they weren't.
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Ashley Barnes - Your opinion
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Then afterwards we can pretend he scored every shot, every chance to shoot, and set up everyone else's goals, and single handedly stopped our opponents scoring.
Or we can judge him on what his performances were instead of what they weren't.
Yeah, on paper Hoskins and CMS looks like a stronger strikeforce but still I think there are some harsh opinions on Barnes when all he seems to do is score goals.
Mr Burns
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On his overall performace. CMS didn't score until Pomey in any game for us, but you could still see he was a class act even when he wasn't scoring
Some nice build up play, but I'd be disappointed he hadn't scored and f***ed off that he'd missed two penalties. However, erm, he has actually scored 4 goals in 5 games. Also worth bearing in mind he should've won us another penalty against Blackpool which he would probably have tucked away if his previous penalty record is anything to go by - only an incompetent piece of refereeing prevented that. So that would've been 5 in 5.
I wonder if anyone has been daft enough to ask the question on the Ipswich Town forum "If you ignore the twelve goals we shipped in the last two games, how WOULD you judge our defence?"
Mr Burns
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And unfortauntely, I think you have just hit the nail firmly on the head there......NO goals?
NSC would be in meltdown all claiming to have known all along he couldn't make the step up, There would be people calling for Bergkamp/ Toby to start or CMS up front alone. He would be "shit"
But he's got a few goals so he's now the next Wayne Rooney and guaranteed 20 goals this season. The wonderful world of NSC eh?
Burnsy give it up, give it up, burnsy give it up, na na na na na na na.
Mr Burns
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Simster, what I am saying is though, take away the pens. Poyet stated in the summer he needs to sign someone to take pens. I there doubt Ashley was number one in his mind then, and if CMS was at gillingham, who knows. Maybe Barnes would have not taken them, so up until Cardiff his record would have been 0 goals in 3 games. Maybe I should of used that as an example instead.
Reinelt12
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Ok - so are you saying that goals aren't important then, its more about what his overall performance is? You don't think that 16 goals in his last 24 games have been instrumental to the team, and in fact to our league position this season and last?
Thunder Bolt
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1/10 fishing contentNO goals?
NSC would be in meltdown all claiming to have known all along he couldn't make the step up, There would be people calling for Bergkamp/ Toby to start or CMS up front alone. He would be "shit"
But he's got a few goals so he's now the next Wayne Rooney and guaranteed 20 goals this season. The wonderful world of NSC eh?
Thunder Bolt
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Well I'm quite happy with his performance so far. I think he makes good runs off the ball, he's linking up well with our midfield and seems comfortable playing just behind CMS. And of course he's weighed in with a few goals.
Now you're saying, "take away the goals". Clearly, I'm not going to be as happy with him, as that is a fundamental part of his game. But that's not a fair way to judge him. If you want to be fair, you could ask us to replace his goals with a scenario where he has created 4 or 5 additional chances, maybe 2 or 3, and made 2 or 3 goaline clearances or something. But taking away one of the main reasons he is there is ridiculous.
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Is it better to have someone who has actually scored goals or someone with presence who looks threatening?? Where is the "looked threatening" column on the league tables?
Northstandite
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This microscopic examination on a weekly basis of Barnes is great.
Gives the positive fans a chance to highlight Barnes - good goal record, young and learning, tenacious and brave against hard defenders, and brave enough to take & score the penalties.
For some reason, even last season, the negative fans speak more about him than Elphick, Sparrow & Brezovan.
They'll be long gone before Barnes.
I 100% trust Gus.
Take away the pens, up until Cardiff; how much massaging of the facts do you want to do?
Nonsense. the principles are EXACTLY the same, regardless of the fact that both the keeper and the penalty taker are plainly of a lower ability. If you send the keeper the wrong way, its irrelevant how athletic they are or how well they can dive.
Mr Burns
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Its completely different. But we'll have to just disagree on that one.
The very same technique, seemed to work perfectly well, against a pro keeper, at HT on Saturday.
Take Away the penalties Mr Burns 
Why don't we take away his legs as well. Now to end the argument you are right. Barnes can't run tackle shoot or jump, in fact he doesn't warrant a starting place. Happy now ?
Why don't we take away his legs as well. Now to end the argument you are right. Barnes can't run tackle shoot or jump, in fact he doesn't warrant a starting place. Happy now ?
Eggman
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NO goals?
NSC would be in meltdown all claiming to have known all along he couldn't make the step up, There would be people calling for Bergkamp/ Toby to start or CMS up front alone. He would be "shit"
But he's got a few goals so he's now the next Wayne Rooney and guaranteed 20 goals this season. The wonderful world of NSC eh?
Who said that?