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Have they moved those oil tankers yet? I still can't swim in the English channel. I did so as a child, and saw a turd float past. I've never really wanted to again. (Having said that, my dad swims in the sea most days during the summer. He once found a twenty pound note floating past).

Not very, in many ways. Although at least a recognised court managed to find the actions of the British government illegal. What Operation Demetrius did do was lead to an increase in IRA membership and activity... hence more killings and bombings. You'd have thought the western world would...

It makes them innocent until proven guilty. If, for example, the Germans arrested a load of Brits and locked them up "because we suspect they might be football hooligans" and then left them there without charging them with any offence, or putting them on trial, we'd all agree they were innocent...

Because they haven't been convicted of any crimes. Or indeed, charged with any offence.

And Prince Philip (85).

No. No I'm not. Luckily I've got a TELLY on my DESK.

You're blinking for too long.

Rubbish, isn't it? :jester:

Can't believe it's taken NSC this long to register, but it's 1-0 to us. Yay.

The police have always said they acted on intelligence from the Security Service, don't forget. So, unlike in the de Menezes case, they were just following orders here. Not that I don't expect them to get a complete panning for it anyway.

Hear hear. My post (above) edited out of slight guilt.

Apparently the intelligence services said there were weapons of mass destruction in there, that could have been deployed in 45 minutes.

The convention, by the way, is for campaigning not to start until the day after the funeral of the councillor or MP who has died. So I wouldn't expect to hear ANYTHING from the leadership of the Seagulls Party for a little while.

From PA: The Metropolitan Police said it had successfully applied for football banning orders in relation to two men today. Stuart Spurling, 36, from Tamworth Chase, Colchester, Essex, and Ashley Dart, 19, of Elizabeth Crescent, East Grinstead, West Sussex were both made subject of the three...

Condolences to the family of Coun John Fletcher. But it might be a nice opportunity.

Or ones who are nearly bankrupt, for that matter? Wouldn't it be nice to have a by-election...

Nope. Not every council elects every year. You'll almost certainly have one next May. I don't see much point in standing in a seat in, say, Bath (even if it's against Bellotti) unless all the candidates are actively anti-stadium. You'd be better off coming to Lewes to help with efforts there.

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So went the olde 1990s Englande Middle Order rhyme of yore "Graeme Hick, doesn't like it quick" "Smith Robin, doesn't like spin".

Yes -- and Paddy Pantsdown was rather aggrieved that they were on the front of the Argus and he wasn't. So much so, in fact, that he tried to walk out of the Haagen Dazs cafe at the Odeon without paying for his ice cream. But that's another story, really.