Southover Street Seagull
Well-known member
I mentioned the Tories and Labour as the original poster had a pop at Labour, however I do agree with you that the paperwork needs to be streamlined and we need a return to coppers on the beat.
Got something to say or just want fewer pesky ads? Join us... 😊
You want a spackfest? Well I've had a bad weekend so.....
- Thread starter Digweeds Trousers
- Start date
I mentioned the Tories and Labour as the original poster had a pop at Labour, however I do agree with you that the paperwork needs to be streamlined and we need a return to coppers on the beat.
Southover Street Seagull
Well-known member
Quite, the current Labour administration are regularly called "lefties and socialists" by some people on here!
The couldn't be further from the truth!
steward 433
Back and better
I really can't remember the last time i saw a copper "on the beat" as far as i can see they sit at the police station until a real emergency comes through then they go out.
Unless you shop at Tesco in Shoreham as my wife spent 15 mins looking at the clothes the other day and i saw 3 lots of police in there buying food!!!
Southover Street Seagull
Well-known member
The greatest government in living memory........................
2. Low mortgage rates.
4. Over 14,000 more police in England and Wales.
5. Cut overall crime by 32 per cent.
6. Record levels of literacy and numeracy in schools.
7. Young people achieving some of the best ever results at 14, 16, and 18.
9. Employment is at its highest level ever. [I]The highest ever employment was in the early sixties![/I]
13. Brought back matrons to hospital wards.
116. Dads now get paternity leave of 2 weeks for the first time.
17. NHS Direct offering free convenient patient advice.
20. Record number of students in higher education.
23. Introduced the Equality and Human Rights Commission.
24. £200 winter fuel payment to pensioners & up to £300 for over-80s. Why not take vat off fuel for all pensioners instead?
25. On course to exceed our Kyoto target for reducing greenhouse gas emissions.
29. A million pensioners lifted out of poverty. See above about vat on fuel!
30. 600,000 children lifted out of relative poverty.
3.9 million children are living in poverty in the UK (after housing costs)
The proportion of children living in poverty grew from 1 in 10 in 1979 to 1 in 3 in 1998. Today, 30 per cent of children in Britain are living in poverty.
Since 1999, when the current Government pledged to end child poverty, 600,000 children have been lifted out of poverty.
The UK has one of the worst rates of child poverty in the industrialised world
The majority (54 per cent) of poor children live in a household where at least one adult works.
43 per cent of poor children live in a household headed by a lone parent. The majority of poor children (57 per cent) live in a household headed by a couple.
42% of children in poverty are from families with 3 or more children
End Child Poverty - Key Facts
31. Introduced child tax credit giving more money to parents.
33. Brought over 1 million social homes up to standard. But still let's tenants buy council houses and won't change the law to allow councils to invest the monet received from council house sales to build new houses!
35. Banned fox hunting.
36. Cleanest rivers, beaches, drinking water and air since before the industrial revolution.
37. Free TV licences for over-75s. What about for the over 60's?
38. Banned fur farming and the testing of cosmetics on animals.
40. Free off peak local bus travel for over-60s. What about on the railways too?
44. More than doubled the number of apprenticeships.
45. Free entry to national museums and galleries.
46. Overseas aid budget more than doubled.
47. Heart disease deaths down by 150,000 and cancer deaths down by 50,000.
Investing in services so people - some who may need a little help - have a better life, paid for by people that can afford to contribute............
THATS SOCIALISM. Dont compare that to real right wing Conservatism that ruled roughshod over people during the eighties and early nineties. Anyway you are to young to remember any of that.
How are any these socialist? I have edited your original post and removed some socialist leaning policies and put questions by some of your points!
Last edited:
3.9 million children are living in poverty in the UK (after housing costs)
The proportion of children living in poverty grew from 1 in 10 in 1979 to 1 in 3 in 1998. Today, 30 per cent of children in Britain are living in poverty.
Since 1999, when the current Government pledged to end child poverty, 600,000 children have been lifted out of poverty.
The UK has one of the worst rates of child poverty in the industrialised world
The majority (54 per cent) of poor children live in a household where at least one adult works.
43 per cent of poor children live in a household headed by a lone parent. The majority of poor children (57 per cent) live in a household headed by a couple.
42% of children in poverty are from families with 3 or more children
Dont blame Labour for 1998 problems........... thats ridiculous. Those were figures inherited from the Tories............. likewise the healthier figure from 1979 was following a labour government period under Callaghan.
Anyway 1 in 3............ thats crap. Thats not poverty as I would define it.
Labours fault we have 43 per cent of poor kids living in one parent households is it. Baloney.
Labour has done more to help those who want to better themselves than any government in history. There are more and more people who have become reliant on the state because of their piss poor attitudes and that is NO governments fault but the fault of some of the working classes. There are more back to work schemes than ever before to encourage people to move on and though I admit their wages need to catch up in some of the lower paid sectors it was labour that brought in a minumum wage when the Tories were bleeting like the pompous pricks they are about how it would drive up unemployment and discourage those entreprenaurs (ie sweat shop tyrants)to create jobs.
When the Tories get back in - as the almost certainly will - god f***ing help us when the Eton boy throws off his sheeps clothing and comes out with his top hat and cane bumbling on about how we need to do this and how we need to .............................................. Ah bollox.
The proportion of children living in poverty grew from 1 in 10 in 1979 to 1 in 3 in 1998. Today, 30 per cent of children in Britain are living in poverty.
Since 1999, when the current Government pledged to end child poverty, 600,000 children have been lifted out of poverty.
The UK has one of the worst rates of child poverty in the industrialised world
The majority (54 per cent) of poor children live in a household where at least one adult works.
43 per cent of poor children live in a household headed by a lone parent. The majority of poor children (57 per cent) live in a household headed by a couple.
42% of children in poverty are from families with 3 or more children
Dont blame Labour for 1998 problems........... thats ridiculous. Those were figures inherited from the Tories............. likewise the healthier figure from 1979 was following a labour government period under Callaghan.
Anyway 1 in 3............ thats crap. Thats not poverty as I would define it.
Labours fault we have 43 per cent of poor kids living in one parent households is it. Baloney.
Labour has done more to help those who want to better themselves than any government in history. There are more and more people who have become reliant on the state because of their piss poor attitudes and that is NO governments fault but the fault of some of the working classes. There are more back to work schemes than ever before to encourage people to move on and though I admit their wages need to catch up in some of the lower paid sectors it was labour that brought in a minumum wage when the Tories were bleeting like the pompous pricks they are about how it would drive up unemployment and discourage those entreprenaurs (ie sweat shop tyrants)to create jobs.
When the Tories get back in - as the almost certainly will - god f***ing help us when the Eton boy throws off his sheeps clothing and comes out with his top hat and cane bumbling on about how we need to do this and how we need to .............................................. Ah bollox.
Barrel of Fun
Abort, retry, fail
Questions, NSC's Labour Puppet.
Alex Alex Dawson oo! oo!
Primary data is fact
Re your comment on point 24 - "Why not take VAT off fuel for all pensioners instead (of the £200/300 winter fuel payments)?"
Possible answer:
Because this would probably reduce pensioner household income in the majority of cases (NB the payment is per household not per individual) - ie unless the total annual fuel bill is greater than £4000. Remember, VAT on domestic fuel is charged at a reduced rate (5%) and not at the UK standard rate (17.5%).
Fyi, the annual fuel cost for our 4 bed detached house is currently around £1400.
On point 40, I believe that national bus travel is now free for the over 60's, provided they travel after 09:30 on weekdays.
Cian
Well-known member
Over 60s in Northern Ireland have been given all-island, all-day free travel. Which your and our taxes are paying for, as NI is now sucking on both governments... our own OAPs don't get that till their 65.
Uncle Spielberg
Well-known member
I think you might have to reassess your low mortgage rates claim
mr sheen
Well-known member
- Jan 17, 2008
- 1,566
How dare you come on this thread and take any measure of responsibility for your own actions, successes, failure, dreams and aspirations
It's all the fault of the government (this one and all it's predecessors), immigrants, home owners, the police, chavs, Uncle Spielberg and your parents
I'm not sure there even is such a thing any more is there? Nor was there, really, 15 years back when I was looking for my first home.
Actually, in an act that would have disgusted and shamed my hard-left socialist student former self, I clawed my way on to the housing market by buying a repossesion.
I felt for whoever's house it once was, but I guess I wouldn't have been helping them at all, by walking on by and letting the next guy snap it up.
Last edited:
Barrel of Fun
Abort, retry, fail
How dare you come on this thread and take any measure of responsibility for your own actions, successes, failure, dreams and aspirations
It is not quite so black and white, is it? The soaring property market has meant that properties are unattainable to key workers. I don't know about you, but I think education, health etc. needs the best possible workforce available, seeing as they look after our health and educate our children. As far as education goes, where is the incentive to stay in the industry if they are struggling to make ends meet with the high cost of housing, when there is the potential to increase their earnings elsewhere?
One must also consider that there would be a knock on effect for the whole economy if prices do not return to a more suitable level. Do we want thousands and thousands of pensioners that are unable to afford their rent or have been unable to obtain a mortgage/own a property?
Thankfully, it seems that some sense is being restored and prices are falling. Unfortunately it will be those that were only just able to afford a property that will really suffer and those that have creamed off large profits will be fine if they have been sensible.
The Right to Buy has ALWAYS been available, it just wasn't taken up very much. It was only when The Housing Act 1980 came into force that it became more widely used.
mr sheen
Well-known member
- Jan 17, 2008
- 1,566
What everyone seems to forget is it is only relatively recently that the majority of people have been able to buy their own house. My grandparents and parents were certainly never in a position to do so. It was only through the tory sell off of vast amounts of social housing that many people were able to achieve this. House ownership is not a right, it's not for all, there will always be, in any society, people who cannot afford the same things as other people. Prices will be high if there is a demand at that high level.
The big issue with pensioners in the next 50 years is not their rent, its the fact, due to advances in medical research (cancer etc)that more diseases which killed us off early can now be combatted. Thus vast numbers will end up with dementia - look at any local authorities rates of elderly mental ill and see how they're rocketing. Logans Run time?
The big issue with pensioners in the next 50 years is not their rent, its the fact, due to advances in medical research (cancer etc)that more diseases which killed us off early can now be combatted. Thus vast numbers will end up with dementia - look at any local authorities rates of elderly mental ill and see how they're rocketing. Logans Run time?
The Right to Buy has ALWAYS been available, it just wasn't taken up very much. It was only when The Housing Act 1980 came into force that it became more widely used.
In order to have that right though, you'd first need to be eligible to actually be a tenant of a council house. I don't imagine single blokes in their early 20's, with no dependants, would have been high up their list of prospective candidates.
Mrs Coach
aka Jesus H. Woman
Logans Run, what a classic! But didn't they kill people off at 30?
mr sheen
Well-known member
- Jan 17, 2008
- 1,566
well, it would save on dementia related spend, the elderly are costing us a fortune in long-term care. And they're holding on to their homes by selfishly continuing to live, home which could be returned to the market if the old buggers would shuffle off to die. Although I'd advocate a higher age limit, probably a constant 5 years older than me.
Whilst I'm still a lefty at heart, I can be HARSH sometimes. Old people on their own in big council houses is something that annoys me.
Yes, I know she's lived there for 49 years, and has all her memories there.
Yes, I know she's paid rent all that time.
BUT, she is on her own. She does not need THREE bedrooms. She can't look after the garden. Half the rooms stay closed all the time. She basically lives in 2 rooms to save heating bills.
Forcibly remove her. Put her in a decent 2 room apartment, preferrably around minded folk, that she can manage to heat and look after herself. She may meet new freinds. She may even LIKE it.
The three bed house, will enable a family to move out of a guest-house or crappy one bed flat.
And Yes, I know this is someones Nan, we're talking about. It was my own Nan, who lived in one room of a lovely 3 bed council house in Storrington for 20 years.
Yes, I know she's lived there for 49 years, and has all her memories there.
Yes, I know she's paid rent all that time.
BUT, she is on her own. She does not need THREE bedrooms. She can't look after the garden. Half the rooms stay closed all the time. She basically lives in 2 rooms to save heating bills.
Forcibly remove her. Put her in a decent 2 room apartment, preferrably around minded folk, that she can manage to heat and look after herself. She may meet new freinds. She may even LIKE it.
The three bed house, will enable a family to move out of a guest-house or crappy one bed flat.
And Yes, I know this is someones Nan, we're talking about. It was my own Nan, who lived in one room of a lovely 3 bed council house in Storrington for 20 years.
Barrel of Fun
Abort, retry, fail
Obviously there are other major factors to consider and I agree with the obvious one being longlevity, but there is a danger if a large proportion of the country do not have a large enough nest egg to survive. As far a dementia goes, the last lot of loonies were shipped out to Australia. Perhaps we need to find some more land.
As a general point, it is all very well saying 'I did this...I did that', but a pretty pointless comparison. Market conditions dictate what you can and can't do.
This graph is rather telling. Note it does not include the recent boom post-2005.
As a general point, it is all very well saying 'I did this...I did that', but a pretty pointless comparison. Market conditions dictate what you can and can't do.
This graph is rather telling. Note it does not include the recent boom post-2005.