[Albion] Would have been a near perfect window if we’d brought in a striker

[scoobiewhite]

Good grief the eternal misery of the usual suspects makes it increasingly hard to enjoy NSC.


Mooy
December 2019 - we must sign him permanently, it’s critical, club being way to blasé about this

Jan 31st, signed - NSC perma-whingers...rubbish business, he’s already playing for us, must try harder

MacAllister
Up to Dec 2019 - what’s the point in signing promising young players who will never wear the stripes, disgraceful recruitment

Jan 31st, work permit received ahead of time due to rapid international progress, fair compensation paid to cut short pre-agreed loan. - NSC perma-whingers...only BRIGHTON could end up paying for our own player, unproven etc. etc.

Lamptey
December 2019 - we need a right back who can defend, we need more pace in the team

Jan 31st - sign Lamptey, great prospect, looks an immense tackler, fast, Chelsea fans up in arms about him leaving. NSC perma-whingers...unproven, too small, he’s only played one game

Striker
Where do I start! Yes we need one, I’m sure the very clever TB, DA, GP and the recruitment team are aware of that but look at the conditions that need to be met to stop the moaners...

NSC perma-whingers... must have prem experience and bang in at least 20 goals a season, can’t come from the Netherlands, can’t come from lower leagues, must have pace, etc. etc.

Reality...no bottom half prem side will sell us a striker, that leaves top half teams and any striker who meets the criteria will be playing every game! Therefore the cost would be what £50m+?

1. Such a striker wouldn’t come in jan for obvious reasons
2. We can’t afford it. Have you noticed uncle tony has put a third of a billion ******g pounds into the club and it lost £27m last year! Live in the now, live in the real world and thank you’re lucky stars we are even close to where we are!

I for one thing it’s far more sustainable to plan for long term success. If we go down, we go down, but we should be really well equipped to come straight back up.

When I was a student in Bradford years ago they broke the bank to stay in the prem. They brought in Benito carbone and Dan petrescu. They got relegated, went into admin twice and got as close to being rubbed out as we did.

No thanks, not for me.

Finally, all this negativity, do you really think it is going to help us one little tiny incy bit in our battle to stay in the prem...no, it just makes players less likely to join in the first place.

I have no issue with debate and holding the club to account but on balance, I’d say that account is pretty damn healthy.

 

[withdeanwombat]

All of this highlights what total rubbish the transfer window system is. It makes clubs panic, it inflates prices to even more ludicrously high levels, and it takes the interest out of the rest of the.football year.

Much better when you could find that, out of the blue, some dank February day, your club had acquired the services of Roy of the Rovers and he would be your new no 9 (not 27, or 36, or whatever roulette number came up next).

Now what have we got? Back to the VAR fiasco.

 

[One Teddy Maybank]

It’s not pretending, it’s being realistic. Everybody wants a 20 goal striker, very few have them. Give me one name you would have realistically tried to sign who would likely come to us, and who would improve what we already have.

But it’s not about 20 or even 15 goal strikers for me, it’s about a different option than what we currently have. Effectively a Murray replacement.

We are a very easy team to defend against as we stand.


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[Stat Brother]

Yes this. Once again some astonishingly needy posts on here. We NEVER do much business in January and if the right striker wasn't available then we've done the right thing by keeping Muzza. Not one of the grizzlers would be able to tell us what striker they would have signed, what price and wages they'd have agreed on and when they'd have closed the deal.

Or maybe we could all do it. Yes, in fact, I would have miraculously signed Giroud for £5 million, paid him 10 grand a week and made him Duke of Sussex the second that title actually became available. How hard can it be?

But that's not quite the point, or at least not all of the point.

History, self imposed financial constraints and an over reliance on Murray has led to this situation.


Our much lauded recruitment team, which now has 3 prongs, Winstano, GPotts man, Ashthingy, (one more prong than active strikers) has had 6 months to fill the void.

It's had 12/18 months to find a replacement for Murray.

The club gambled won, then lost, waiting to get Andone on the cheap.
It bought Big Jurg then between the 2 of them almost immediately managed to break that relationship.

The club are very keen to point out both broke the 'no dickheads' policy - Fool me once ...

It's bought the Championships leading goal scorer, for a large, but comparatively small, amount of money.

Has scouted around the globe and bought nobody.


Now some of the above is fair enough.
Some might be seen as unlucky.

But for the world's 19th richest club to be consistently behind the curve and out of step on one specific position with all it's competitors, strikes me as there being something institutionally wrong.
Especially when time and again it proves itself to be ahead of everybody else in every other aspect of club structure, management and recruitment.

 

[Albion Dan]

A player that Everton have shipped out, to Palace who pay ridiculous wages. He has a one in five record for a team 3 places above us, and they were happy to let him go to a team who are now on the same number of points as them. All his other games were at a lower level.

You’re sure this is somebody who is better than what we already have? You’re just falling for the ‘we should sign a striker for the sake of it’ nonsense.

I’d love to hear your reasoning as to why he could be our 20 goal man.

Who said 20 goal man? Who said he needs to be better than what we have (Maupay)? He needs to be better than Connolly which wouldn’t be hard at all at the moment. If Maupay gets injured do you not think we are bang in trouble with just Murray and Connolly left? Can you ever remember a premier league team with a weaker only two options than that?

Like has been said we have a very big and very expensive recruitment team at the club who have had 3 Premier league seasons now to find promising talent across Europe. As soon as we let Andone and Locadia go getting more support this window should have been absolutely their only focus. They failed.

 

[lost in london]

Good grief the eternal misery of the usual suspects makes it increasingly hard to enjoy NSC.


Mooy
December 2019 - we must sign him permanently, it’s critical, club being way to blasé about this

Jan 31st, signed - NSC perma-whingers...rubbish business, he’s already playing for us, must try harder

MacAllister
Up to Dec 2019 - what’s the point in signing promising young players who will never wear the stripes, disgraceful recruitment

Jan 31st, work permit received ahead of time due to rapid international progress, fair compensation paid to cut short pre-agreed loan. - NSC perma-whingers...only BRIGHTON could end up paying for our own player, unproven etc. etc.

Lamptey
December 2019 - we need a right back who can defend, we need more pace in the team

Jan 31st - sign Lamptey, great prospect, looks an immense tackler, fast, Chelsea fans up in arms about him leaving. NSC perma-whingers...unproven, too small, he’s only played one game

Striker
Where do I start! Yes we need one, I’m sure the very clever TB, DA, GP and the recruitment team are aware of that but look at the conditions that need to be met to stop the moaners...

NSC perma-whingers... must have prem experience and bang in at least 20 goals a season, can’t come from the Netherlands, can’t come from lower leagues, must have pace, etc. etc.

Reality...no bottom half prem side will sell us a striker, that leaves top half teams and any striker who meets the criteria will be playing every game! Therefore the cost would be what £50m+?

1. Such a striker wouldn’t come in jan for obvious reasons
2. We can’t afford it. Have you noticed uncle tony has put a third of a billion ******g pounds into the club and it lost £27m last year! Live in the now, live in the real world and thank you’re lucky stars we are even close to where we are!

I for one thing it’s far more sustainable to plan for long term success. If we go down, we go down, but we should be really well equipped to come straight back up.

When I was a student in Bradford years ago they broke the bank to stay in the prem. They brought in Benito carbone and Dan petrescu. They got relegated, went into admin twice and got as close to being rubbed out as we did.

No thanks, not for me.

Finally, all this negativity, do you really think it is going to help us one little tiny incy bit in our battle to stay in the prem...no, it just makes players less likely to join in the first place.

I have no issue with debate and holding the club to account but on balance, I’d say that account is pretty damn healthy.

Disappointed I can only give that one thumbs up, superb post. Nails it.

These clowns baying for us to buy a ‘proven’ striker have such short memories. Our club is being run sustainably, not by panic spunking £30m on a has been in January. Of course the recruitment team are trying to recruit a striker, but they’re as rare as hens teeth and if the right person isn’t available at the right price they’re not going to waste their money. Have some bloody faith.

 

[Surrey Phil]

I think we have 3 good strikers. I think our biggest issue by far in recent times is defensive - we’ve managed 2 clean sheets in 4 months and that was against Ballmuff & Norwich at home. You can’t expect to score 2 or 3 goals every game at this level, so we must switch to five at the back! Sadly with Duffy & Burn injured and Balogun gone to Wigan, I’m not sure how we can though.

 

[LamieRobertson]

Mooy is a good signing but was already at the club until the end of the season
Wonderkid Lamptey ? Based on what ? Do tell me as he has played only one Premier league match. Basically another untried kid with potential. Heard that before ?
Alexis is already our player and another who hasn't kicked a ball at Premier level. Until we see him it's a gamble.

Give me a striker than this lot anyday. As i said Mooy is already here. Dress it up how you like but we have done poorly when we needed quality at this moment in time. We opted for gambles.
Thank god for Brexit because it would have been a bloody miserable end to Jan.

-3/10

Corrected for you

 

[Mo Gosfield]

I think we have 3 good strikers. I think our biggest issue by far in recent times is defensive - we’ve managed 2 clean sheets in 4 months and that was against Ballmuff & Norwich at home. You can’t expect to score 2 or 3 goals every game at this level, so we must switch to five at the back! Sadly with Duffy & Burn injured and Balogun gone to Wigan, I’m not sure how we can though.

Webster is still making fundamental errors that cost us but the manager is backing him. So we have to get over our cravings to have Duffy back and hope and pray that Dunk and Ryan have 14 brilliant games between now and the end of the season.

 

[Mo Gosfield]

Million pound loan fee plus a 100k a week, apparently.

Everton have waived that in lieu of striking a deal with Palace to buy him at the end of the season. They want Tosun off their wage bill and both sides have agreed a fee around £16-17m. That is why he is costing Palace nothing during his loan spell. Great in the short term but he is then a full time expensive Palace player.

 

[Mo Gosfield]

I think we have 3 good strikers. I think our biggest issue by far in recent times is defensive - we’ve managed 2 clean sheets in 4 months and that was against Ballmuff & Norwich at home. You can’t expect to score 2 or 3 goals every game at this level, so we must switch to five at the back! Sadly with Duffy & Burn injured and Balogun gone to Wigan, I’m not sure how we can though.

Add to that a near complete lack of goals from midfield.
WHU have signed Bowen because he can add goals to their side and that may make the difference between staying up and going down. He isn't an out and out striker ( and West Ham aren't blessed in that department either ) He is principally a player coming in from wide right. Gross's goals in our first PL season were vital but since then, he, Propper and Stephens have contributed naff all. Mooy looks willing to have a go but he is never going to get more than 3-4 goals a season.

 

[Garry Nelson's Left Foot]

It's a real shame we couldn't have got a striker in. Not the 20 goal a season one that some people seem to be banging on about but a target man. Someone with a bit of pace who can hold the ball up and bring others into play. Doesn't need to be prolific.

It's been plain as day over the course of the season that that type of striker would really benefit the team. I think Swans man said Potter likes to play with one and would explain his (alleged?) interest in bringing McBurnie with him. We currently have no out balll when we're under pressure. Maupay or Connolly get isolated and when the ball gets hit up to them they have monster centre halves swarming over them and the ball comes straight back at us.

The obvious solution is Murray but for whatever reason despite being here all season he's barely featured. I hope it's because of a niggle(that he's now over...) rather than his legs have gone as if it's the latter we're in trouble.Doesn't mean we're going to be relegated but we're going to have to come up with some new solutions as teams have sussed us. Maybe the addition of Argie Super Mac is the answer?

 

[Bakero]

Everton have waived that in lieu of striking a deal with Palace to buy him at the end of the season. They want Tosun off their wage bill and both sides have agreed a fee around £16-17m. That is why he is costing Palace nothing during his loan spell. Great in the short term but he is then a full time expensive Palace player.

A few people have suggested that on here but none of them have a source for it. According to a journo that covers Palace, what I've said is true.

Does it really seem likely that Everton have are still paying him £100,000 a week?

 

[GT49er]

We were always going to keep Dunk during the Jan window. Even if the speculation wasn't just made up rubbish, club still wouldn't of sold Dunk until season was over.

.....and especially not with BDB and Duffy crocked, and Balogun on his way!

 

[Weststander]

They've taken too many calculated gambles before that didn't pan out. You don't want to take a gamble that will disrupt the team. We will be fine, and we will get the right player when they become available.

In what division will we be playing when he becomes available?

 

[martin tyler]

Course it would be nice to have got a striker but signing one for the sake of it doesn’t make sense either. We clearly had targets but they were not available. Even Barcelona, Tottenham, Chelsea who were all actively looking didn’t sign one Man Utd have taken a desperate punt paying 100k a week for a 30 year old but they can afford such risks. The only striker who has come in is Samatta in a permanent deal is Samatta and villa are much more desperate for a striker than us.
The club has brought in 2 players that were not at potters disposal that potentially have a lot to offer.
We can’t compete with a lot of PL clubs in relation to wages and transfer fees and to come self sufficient you have to invest in youth that you develop and move on at that right time. Yes we are gambling short term but there is a long term vision that appear to be taking shape. Already next season I can see 5 players who will play a lot of minutes that will be 22 of younger without considering some of the other young players like Jenks, Richards and Roberts who will begin knocking on the door of the 1st team.

 

[Bozza]

I'd be a near perfect man if I had a face like Brad Pitt.

 

[vagabond]

But that's not quite the point, or at least not all of the point.

History, self imposed financial constraints and an over reliance on Murray has led to this situation.


Our much lauded recruitment team, which now has 3 prongs, Winstano, GPotts man, Ashthingy, (one more prong than active strikers) has had 6 months to fill the void.

It's had 12/18 months to find a replacement for Murray.

The club gambled won, then lost, waiting to get Andone on the cheap.
It bought Big Jurg then between the 2 of them almost immediately managed to break that relationship.

The club are very keen to point out both broke the 'no dickheads' policy - Fool me once ...

It's bought the Championships leading goal scorer, for a large, but comparatively small, amount of money.

Has scouted around the globe and bought nobody.


Now some of the above is fair enough.
Some might be seen as unlucky.

But for the world's 19th richest club to be consistently behind the curve and out of step on one specific position with all it's competitors, strikes me as there being something institutionally wrong.
Especially when time and again it proves itself to be ahead of everybody else in every other aspect of club structure, management and recruitment.

Exactly this. I don’t think anyone’s expecting a 20 goal a season ‘proven’ PL striker. That’s obviously incredibly naive.

But an option. A backup. A target man McBurnie type.

The lad, Silke, was the kind of player I thought we’d go for. A striker in a top European league who has scored goals but lost his way. A club like us can’t buy ready made. It’d have to be a striker on his way up or on his way down, and that’s fine.

Noones claiming it’s easy, but we’ve always known the windows we have to do business in, its no surprise and this was by far the weakest area of our squad. It’s their job.

 

[Weststander]

We'll be fine, I agree that Glenn Murray is the man.

I'm a little concerned that both Gyokeres and Mlakar are out on loan, and would rather we had a 4th choice striker available, just in case.

Murray won’t be the man if he’s a 75th minute sub when we’re losing. Very few strikers can pull that one off in a tiny cameo.

If Murray’s the man, it requires Potter to adapt tactics from the off. I thought he made it plain recently that he’s sticking to his principles.

Fingers crossed that he pulls it off.

 

[sparkie]

Good grief the eternal misery of the usual suspects makes it increasingly hard to enjoy NSC.


Mooy
December 2019 - we must sign him permanently, it’s critical, club being way to blasé about this

Jan 31st, signed - NSC perma-whingers...rubbish business, he’s already playing for us, must try harder

MacAllister
Up to Dec 2019 - what’s the point in signing promising young players who will never wear the stripes, disgraceful recruitment

Jan 31st, work permit received ahead of time due to rapid international progress, fair compensation paid to cut short pre-agreed loan. - NSC perma-whingers...only BRIGHTON could end up paying for our own player, unproven etc. etc.

Lamptey
December 2019 - we need a right back who can defend, we need more pace in the team

Jan 31st - sign Lamptey, great prospect, looks an immense tackler, fast, Chelsea fans up in arms about him leaving. NSC perma-whingers...unproven, too small, he’s only played one game

Striker
Where do I start! Yes we need one, I’m sure the very clever TB, DA, GP and the recruitment team are aware of that but look at the conditions that need to be met to stop the moaners...

NSC perma-whingers... must have prem experience and bang in at least 20 goals a season, can’t come from the Netherlands, can’t come from lower leagues, must have pace, etc. etc.

Reality...no bottom half prem side will sell us a striker, that leaves top half teams and any striker who meets the criteria will be playing every game! Therefore the cost would be what £50m+?

1. Such a striker wouldn’t come in jan for obvious reasons
2. We can’t afford it. Have you noticed uncle tony has put a third of a billion ******g pounds into the club and it lost £27m last year! Live in the now, live in the real world and thank you’re lucky stars we are even close to where we are!

I for one thing it’s far more sustainable to plan for long term success. If we go down, we go down, but we should be really well equipped to come straight back up.

When I was a student in Bradford years ago they broke the bank to stay in the prem. They brought in Benito carbone and Dan petrescu. They got relegated, went into admin twice and got as close to being rubbed out as we did.

No thanks, not for me.

Finally, all this negativity, do you really think it is going to help us one little tiny incy bit in our battle to stay in the prem...no, it just makes players less likely to join in the first place.

I have no issue with debate and holding the club to account but on balance, I’d say that account is pretty damn healthy.

Fantastic perspective - what a great post !