Will Hoskins goal

[Ninja Elephant]

Best striker IMHO

Based on WHAT?

He hasn't done ANYTHING for Brighton yet. His goal at Cardiff should have been the platform but he spent the whole of last season either injured or out on loan. This season he has been mainly injured and when he has played he has missed more chances than CMS has, but with immunity for being blamed for them. Hoskins and CMS are clearly being judged by very different standards.

 

[HenryC]

Great goal, question is, would CMS have scored?

I can't remember CMS scoring 1 v 1 with the keeper... Can anyone else!

 

[BensGrandad]

Based on WHAT?

He hasn't done ANYTHING for Brighton yet. His goal at Cardiff should have been the platform but he spent the whole of last season either injured or out on loan. This season he has been mainly injured and when he has played he has missed more chances than CMS has, but with immunity for being blamed for them. Hoskins and CMS are clearly being judged by very different standards.

Can you please stop talking sense as you will confuse the 'experts' on here.

 

[HenryC]

what a load of rubbish being posted on here Hoskins took his goal very well but his general performance was poor and we as a team looked worse for having CMS subbed as such I would expect CMS to keep his place and Hoskins to be on the bench or possibly start alongside CMS but not replace him.

Sorry but I disagree. Hoskins is technically a better player than CMS. His 1st touch is much better. His passing is quicker and more accurate and he holds the ball better. He is generally a more intelligent player. He also seems to find scoring positions on a more regular basis. Im not sure he is quite as quick (although he isn't slow!) The only question mark is his finishing and I don't think that can be judged until he has had a run of 8-10 games against a variety of opposition. I think he should be given a chance and I would hope that Gus can see the same potential ad me (and others).

 

[Caveman]

You've never played the game sonny, clearly. Work rate is nice and all that jazz, but it's scoring goals that counts. You can let people run past you and not put in a shift if you score a goal.

CMS is our top goal scorer, so I think that goes someway to prove that work rate is important and does count.
As someone has already pointed out Hoskins could benefit from tired defensive legs, which I am really pleased for him as he is a great player, the result was all part of team work and how people can suggest cms wouldn't score is also just a dig imo.

I used to play cb and I can tell you defending live wires is hard work, I think people are being yet again negative after a good win.

 

[BensGrandad]

Wasnt Hoskins bought to be part of the partnership with CMS and thus Murray was allowed to leave without too much effort being made to stop him, so can see them playing together but not Hoskins instead of CMS.

 

[maresfield seagull]

oops

 

[Ninja Elephant]

I can't remember CMS scoring 1 v 1 with the keeper... Can anyone else!

Ipswich on tuesday? I would count that. I can only think of a handful he's missed, and to be fair to him, he doesn't exactly get many does he. Dave's through ball to Hoskins was absolutely perfect, he didn't need to take a touch and he had a dire goalkeeper in front of him who was holding a neon sign flashing the words "stick it between my legs!". He duly obliged. CMS vs Burnley (pick one of the two, it doesn't matter which) it wasn't, but it was a very good finish. Unlike his 4/5 against Nottingham Forest in the first half... I'm not knocking Hoskins, not at all. I think he's a good player and I want to see him get a run but the criticism of CMS is massively out of proportion with what's fair in the context of what's being ignored in Hoskins' game. Personally, I would play the pair of them. It might be old fashioned, but I don't care. CMS and Hoskins up front as a pair with Orlandi on the left, Buckley/David/Barnes on the right and two central midfielders from Bridcutt (and then one from the following) Hammond, Crofts, Dicker. In theory, it would get the best out of CMS who can then run and run and run so Hoskins can stand in the centre and feed off the good work of others around him. If it makes the team stronger, then everyone wins.

Can you please stop talking sense as you will confuse the 'experts' on here.

I don't talk sense, BG. I know absolutely nothing about football, I don't know if you missed my thread after the Watford spanking, but it was almost unanimously decided I know absolutely nothing about football, must never have watched it, never have played it and have absolutely no understanding of how the game is played. Unlike the people who were saying those things, of course.

 

[Mutts Nuts]

Hoskins and Barnes to be given a go as starters for a run of games.

4-4-2 ? with Barnes leaving the defence to do there job

 

[HenryC]

CMS is our top goal scorer,

Yes. But if Hoskins had played the same amount this season as CMS I suspect that HE would be the top goal scorer!

 

[Mutts Nuts]

CMS is our top goal scorer,

Yes. But if Hoskins had played the same amount this season as CMS I suspect that HE would be the top goal scorer!

if places are earnt as the dictator claims Hoskins should start next game with McSmudger on the bench,the problem we have is that Gus talks the talk but fails to walk the walk

 

[Ninja Elephant]

CMS is our top goal scorer, so I think that goes someway to prove that work rate is important and does count.
As someone has already pointed out Hoskins could benefit from tired defensive legs, which I am really pleased for him as he is a great player, the result was all part of team work and how people can suggest cms wouldn't score is also just a dig imo.

I used to play cb and I can tell you defending live wires is hard work, I think people are being yet again negative after a good win.

Absolutely spot on so far as I am concerned, it's so much easier coming against a team down to 10 men, having had their defenders run ragged for 70 minutes by the Duracell bunny and then you bring on someone for the last part of the game who doesn't work too hard, but makes damn sure he's in a position where if the ball is good enough, he's likely to score.

I don't know if people will remember it, but Ashley Barnes was in a perfect position at 2-0, LuaLua had the simple task of picking him out and Barnes, inside the 18 yard box, would then have had time to take a touch if required before no doubt dispatching it. The pass didn't come, and he's not on the scoresheet but his run was even better than Hoskins', but he didn't get the ball. Rightly, nobody has moaned about his performance just yet but I'm sure someone will find something to complain about him for, and they certainly won't mention he was unlucky not to get a golden chance to score a goal as simple as Hoskins' was.

I'm pro all our players, I think it's incredible the upgrade in class we've seen over the last few years with Gus at the helm. There aren't any duff players here anymore, we have a squad packed with ability and we have a good blend of skill in the squad. Hoskins and CMS play very different games, neither are really suited to being the lone striker in my opinion, but they would be well suited to playing together. Which is of course why they never get the chance to have a run in the team together!

Yes. But if Hoskins had played the same amount this season as CMS I suspect that HE would be the top goal scorer!

Easy to say, isn't it.

 

[Mutts Nuts]

Absolutely spot on so far as I am concerned, it's so much easier coming against a team down to 10 men, having had their defenders run ragged for 70 minutes by the Duracell bunny and then you bring on someone for the last part of the game who doesn't work too hard, but makes damn sure he's in a position where if the ball is good enough, he's likely to score.

I don't know if people will remember it, but Ashley Barnes was in a perfect position at 2-0, LuaLua had the simple task of picking him out and Barnes, inside the 18 yard box, would then have had time to take a touch if required before no doubt dispatching it. The pass didn't come, and he's not on the scoresheet but his run was even better than Hoskins', but he didn't get the ball. Rightly, nobody has moaned about his performance just yet but I'm sure someone will find something to complain about him for, and they certainly won't mention he was unlucky not to get a golden chance to score a goal as simple as Hoskins' was.

I'm pro all our players, I think it's incredible the upgrade in class we've seen over the last few years with Gus at the helm. There aren't any duff players here anymore, we have a squad packed with ability and we have a good blend of skill in the squad. Hoskins and CMS play very different games, neither are really suited to being the lone striker in my opinion, but they would be well suited to playing together. Which is of course why they never get the chance to have a run in the team together!



Easy to say, isn't it.

If Gus sticks with McSmudger we will not reach the play offs.

 

[Dorset Seagull]

Dave's through ball to Hoskins was absolutely perfect, he didn't need to take a touch and he had a dire goalkeeper in front of him who was holding a neon sign flashing the words "stick it between my legs!".

Watch the video posted earlier on in this thread. Hoskins pointed to exactly where he wanted Dave to put the ball and he duly obliged. Thats what good strikers do in order to get such easy chances

 

[Ninja Elephant]

If Gus sticks with McSmudger we will not reach the play offs.

There's a lot more to it than that, isn't there. Mackail-Smith isn't the reason we're not in the play-offs already. Our style of play doesn't suit him, he is a square peg in a round hole trying to make the best of what for him must be a bad situation. He wants to score goals, he wants to help the team get promoted but we aren't set up to get the best out of him. Which is why we're so keen to sign Ulloa, a different option and hopefully with the intention of playing CMS off him. I doubt that is the plan, or that it'll ever actually happen, but that's what I'd love to see. I have no doubt CMS would bang in 20 at this level if he had a proper strike partner to play with, rather than trying to do all the work himself without getting too much tangible reward.

Watch the video posted earlier on in this thread. Hoskins pointed to exactly where he wanted Dave to put the ball and he duly obliged. Thats what good strikers do in order to get such easy chances

But the pass came and it was fantastic. Barnes was in a position even better, he pointed where he wanted it and the pass didn't come, so he didn't get the easy chance to score. It's all semantics and nobody is suggesting it wasn't a good finish from Hoskins, it was fantastic composure followed by a brilliant celebration. I just wish CMS would get the benefit of such through balls.

 

[HenryC]

Ipswich on tuesday? I would count that.

1 v 1 means running in on goal with just the keeper to beat, not an overhead kick in a crowded area. I cant remember CMS scoring 1 v 1 - can you?

 

[HenryC]

If Gus sticks with McSmudger we will not reach the play offs.

Agree completely. FFS all you CMS acolytes. Take off those blinkers!

 

[Caveman]

Agree completely. FFS all you CMS acolytes. Take off those blinkers!

I don't see what the problem is we have just beaten a f***ing premiership side two nil, through an organised team, spot on tactics and hard work.

CMS scored a 1 v. 1 in our last league game and his replacement today scored? What the f*** is there to be blinkers about? You want us to be top of the league now might be disappointing to some, but we are not in a bad position for early january especially as we appear to be adding some more faces.

 

[u'vebeenamexed]

Great goal overall but nothing beats his face after the goal. Looked ecstatic.

Not as ecstatic as me - I had a feeling another Bolton was on the cards until he hit the back of the onion net.

 

[somerset]

Sadly for CMS, this. I thought CMS looked thoroughly pissed off at the service he was receiving quite a few times.

This exactly........ and we saw how relaxed their defence looked without CMS chasing them, which gave their midfield a bit more freedom during that period when we had a few wobbles.