[Misc] Why Christianity needs to give its head a wobble

[BadFish]

Jesus was woke

Jesus always supported those on the fringes of society.

Jesus really disliked rich people.

Most religious folk are sound.

Rich anti woke right wingers are not proper Christians

 

[Eeyore]

the irony here is the crucifixion is tied to a documented event, linked to passover which moves with moon cycle. the date changes as the year of the event is unknown.

meanwhile a completely made up event is given a fixed date.

Yes, but he was crucified during Pilate's reign, so that brings it down to a ten year period. There is also an eclipse, according to the gospel. So the question would be in what years did the passover fall on a Friday. One of those dates falls on a lunar eclipse, thus historians came up with an actual date.

 

[Greg Bobkin]

Eggcellent thread.

 

[Hiheidi]

So why do take one date as gospel but the other is a moveable chocolate feast?
Is it because it's all Horlicks? Or is there a genuine reason?

Would you question details of any other religions? I'm not religious (so don't care / generally keep quiet on such matters), but it is interesting that Christianity is an easy target, while another religion is off limits.

 

[Blues Guitarist]

...Even though all serious historians and theologians agree that the nativity story was not about Jesus and is much older. ...

Do you mean that the elements of the Christian nativity story (e.g. virgin birth, visit of the Magi) are based on older myths, or do you mean that the whole story is a copy of an older myth? Thanks.

 

[rippleman]

Both events happened around 1500 years before the calendar that we use in the West was established.

Also the sources for either event are sketchy at best.

Lastly, judging from my local supermarket, Easter now starts as soon as the Xmas clearance stock has gone and lasts until the weather holds the slightest whiff of BBQ time.

But did they? Really? Proof?

 

[Lady Whistledown]

Yes, but he was crucified during Pilates reign,

Luckily for believers, his reign was soon ended by the new found popularity of Zumba, followed by the hot yoga explosion of 24AD.

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

the irony here is the crucifixion is tied to a documented event, linked to passover which moves with moon cycle. the date changes as the year of the event is unknown.

meanwhile a completely made up event is given a fixed date.

Completely made up event? He had to be born in order to be crucified.
And most practising Christians would accept that stuff like the three kings and the shepherds turning up probably didn’t happen all at the same time to provide the archetypal Nativity Scene.

 

[drew]

I'm pretty sure that some historians reckon Jesus would have been born in September around AD4, all factors considered. An example being that shepherds would not have been watching their flocks in mid-winter. December 25th is merely a ritual that was stolen from others traditions. There is no evidence to support it.

Again, all factors of evidence considered, the favourite date for his death is April 3, AD33

Pretty sure in the middle east shepherds would still be watching their flocks at night!

 

[drew]

Completely made up event? He had to be born in order to be crucified.
And most practising Christians would accept that stuff like the three kings and the shepherds turning up probably didn’t happen all at the same time to provide the archetypal Nativity Scene.

Most practising atheist don't believe any of it happened!

 

[Eeyore]

Pretty sure in the middle east shepherds would still be watching their flocks at night!

Not in deep winter. They would have had them indoors.

 

[GT49er]

When was Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ born? December 25th, right? That's what we've all agreed, whether it's accurate or not.

Fair enough.

When did he die and come back from the dead? Easter, correct?

Last year, Easter Sunday was March 31st.

This year, it's April 20th.

So why do take one date as gospel but the other is a moveable chocolate feast?

Is it because it's all Horlicks? Or is there a genuine reason?

If that's your biggest worry, you're the one that needs to give their head a wobble.

 

[Eeyore]

Most practising atheist don't believe any of it happened!

How does one 'practice' atheism. Are their training matches against believers ?

 

[jcdenton08]

Most practising atheist don't believe any of it happened!

Many (arguably most) prominent atheist writers accept Jesus, or the person referred to as Jesus, was a person who existed. They don’t believe he was the son of God, but they accept there was a man who existed approximately in the timescales laid out in the Bible.

Atheism isn’t a denial of recorded history, it’s a belief that there is no deity, only evolution.

 

[Eeyore]

Luckily for believers, his reign was soon ended by the new found popularity of Zumba, followed by the hot yoga explosion of 24AD.

Yep, that's my post of day the award tied up early

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

Most practising atheist don't believe any of it happened!

I think the birth and the death are generally accepted as historical fact.

it‘s the tales weaved about both events and there significance which would be in doubt, including to many believers.

 

[Eeyore]

Many (arguably most) prominent atheist writers accept Jesus, or the person referred to as Jesus, was a person who existed. They don’t believe he was the son of God, but they accept there was a man who existed approximately in the timescales laid out in the Bible.

Atheism isn’t a denial of recorded history, it’s a belief that there is no deity, only evolution.

That's an important point. It's hard, given the sequence of events, to conclude that he wasn't a real person.

 

[Lady Whistledown]

Yep, that's my post of day the award tied up early

Apostrophes are everything! I genuinely read it as Pilates, rather than Pilate's, due to the absence of one

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Both events happened around 1500 years before the calendar that we use in the West was established.

Also the sources for either event are sketchy at best.

Lastly, judging from my local supermarket, Easter now starts as soon as the Xmas clearance stock has gone and lasts until the weather holds the slightest whiff of BBQ time.

The Roman calendar was originally created in 753 BC, and was used until the introduction of the Anno Domini calendar in AD 525 by Dionysius Exiguus, adapting a calendar devised by Diocletian in AD 247. The calendar was created by counting the number of years since the foundation of the city of Rome.
Dionysius also added in the names of consuls which added accuracy, although the 'leap years' hadn't yet been taken into account.

So the Christian calendar has been in use for over 1800 years. Only just recently has AD & BC been dropped by those who prefer CE and BCE.

 

[Eeyore]

Apostrophes are everything! I genuinely read it as Pilates, rather than Pilate's, due to the absence of one

We've got to re-write the history of yoga now