[Football] West ham and Potter

[A1X]

Perhaps we should have just been left to make the history lesson gags in peace?

 

[Han Solo]

You’re making some incredibly wild assumptions and accusations today. That last paragraph is insane. You take a few posters on here, often posts made in the heat of the moment, and turn it into something it isn’t.
Bloom is a hero amongst Albion supporters and of any team in the world we understand best that none of us, or anyone, is bigger than our club.

The previous times I've said that plenty of Brighton fans are anti-Bloom, people say "nah no one would ever" and I have to drag out a bunch of quotes and threads filled with people bemoaning everything Tony does and have done. The latest of these "what has Tony ever done for us" conversations was only days ago with team THPP against team Random sensible people in some thread or another.

People like to have the cake and eat it to. By day time they are superfans gatekeeping the mighty Albion from all of the outside world and its horrors (players fiering up the crowd, drums and other evil shit) obediently kneeling in front of king Tony and by night they moan about him being too dumb and cheap not to submit to the guy who wanted to do the opposite of how Tony has been running things.

Its a nice way to make sure that people can be ungrateful as f*** and still label themselves as superfans.

 

[BNthree]

We've got the old Swansman back; the one that likes telling everyone they're wrong and he alone is right.

 

[Zeberdi]

The club doesn't need your financial support, all your money will be spent on more luxuary for young multi millionaires. I can see how that can feel depressing. Luckily there are other ways to support a club.

No it doesn’t and yes it will.

But I can’t envisage NOT going to live matches to support the team I have loved since going as a kid with my dad in the 1960s - it’s in my blood and part of what it means for me to be a ‘fan’. Football is a participatory form of entertainment that simply can’t be experienced in the same way on a lap top or tv. The noise, the smells, the bantz of opposing fans, the bantz with the linos, the camaraderie I experience with other fans, everything about the match day experience, not least being able to see the whole field of play instead of relying on what views a camera decides to stream for me. I also love chatting to oppo fans on trains.

I think I am probably a little addicted to the match day experience tbh but it is not something I can give up. It’s fine, it’s just been an expensive month because of work also needing to be done to the house and I will save in the summer months.

 

[London Irish]

You’ve had some very entertaining posts on this thread but this is bizarre and very contradictory. Your post below this is a romantic ode to a purists football and the wonder of youth. RDZ had us playing the most beautiful football imaginable. Beyond imagination. For a year the envy of the whole world. He could have said what he wanted during that period and most would forgive him because most supporters dream of that kind of football.

Thanks for posting this - I genuinely hope this period of outlandish, out of the world football is never forgotten by Brighton fans, because for the weak reason that RDZ is now a bit of a non-person for club ultra loyalists. Honestly 9th/10th place for us is decent now and Fab doing his job well but how raggedy is the football quality by comparison to back then

 

[Weststander]

The previous times I've said that plenty of Brighton fans are anti-Bloom, people say "nah no one would ever" and I have to drag out a bunch of quotes and threads filled with people bemoaning everything Tony does and have done. The latest of these "what has Tony ever done for us" conversations was only days ago with team THPP against team Random sensible people in some thread or another.

People like to have the cake and eat it to. By day time they are superfans gatekeeping the mighty Albion from all of the outside world and its horrors (players fiering up the crowd, drums and other evil shit) obediently kneeling in front of king Tony and by night they moan about him being too dumb and cheap not to submit to the guy who wanted to do the opposite of how Tony has been running things.

Its a nice way to make sure that people can be ungrateful as f*** and still label themselves as superfans.

Someone’s flogged you the wrong gear.

 

[Han Solo]

We've got the old Swansman back; the one that likes telling everyone they're wrong and he alone is right.

Its a normal position to have in a discussion. I don't think there's a lot of participants in a debate who claim their own opinions and arguments are incorrect and that everyone else is right.

 

[jcdenton08]

We've got the old Swansman back; the one that likes telling everyone they're wrong and he alone is right.

I think we all know what direction this heading…

 

[Iggle Piggle]

Well, I for one found a reason for enjoying Palace winning today.

 

[Weststander]

Well, I for one found a reason for enjoying Palace winning today.

Just watched it on MOTD, awful performance going by the edited version, rubbish from the off. And huge gaps in the crowd long before the opening goal. West Ham will recorded it at 62,400 …. deduct 15k.

 

[heathgate]

Well, I for one found a reason for enjoying Palace winning today.

Me too, I felt very dirty as a result, but I detest the Potter smugness and blandness now,...so, good for Palace.

 

[Iggle Piggle]

Just watched it on MOTD, awful performance going by the edited version, rubbish from the off. And huge gaps in the crowd long before the opening goal. West Ham will recorded it at 62,400 …. deduct 15k.

My.Mrs put on TOTP from the 90s

Give me Snap! Over It is what it is any day of the week.

 

[Han Solo]

Well, I for one found a reason for enjoying Palace winning today.

The advantage of pretending to have a rival: you can unrival it any time you wants! Best of two worlds.

Just watched it on MOTD, awful performance going by the edited version, rubbish from the off. And huge gaps in the crowd long before the opening goal. West Ham will recorded it at 62,400 …. deduct 15k.

Yes saw the game and it was really bad. Going to be a long and complicated spring for West Ham, apart from Kudus and Paqueta they really have nothing.

Crystal Palace have gone full Hodgson which is quite fun. Seems to be the only way they can win games. Unfortunately they're quite good at it after 12 years of practice and clever enough recruitment. In five years, I could see them being in the exact same position as in the previous dozen.

 

[Seagull58]

Again...
This is the case: some people - like you - have been crying about this throw-away post-game frustration quote for years. Like you (because you are fixated about the quote) have said multiple times, you were very offended by it. Angry and sad. You're a man crying and raging over a post-game comment five years ago. All the tears are yours. Only laughs and smirks from me. Normal grown men have moved on or faced bigger adversity in life than a manager being frustrated after a game. Its a big quote for you and a few others; the rest of us don't cry about it for any reason.

I think you misunderstand why people bring it up. I have mentioned it once or twice, as I have referenced "it is what it is" and "we'll take the positives and move on". In my case it's not through anger or sadness. It's just taking the piss.

 

[Han Solo]

I think you misunderstand why people bring it up. I have mentioned it once or twice, as I have referenced "it is what it is" and "we'll take the positives and move on". In my case it's not through anger or sadness. It's just taking the piss.

Some bring it up for reasons you mention, some bring it up because they can't let it go.

 

[Seagull58]

How come the same people moaning about these quotes are the same one who doesn't give a shit about Roberto De Zerbi trashtalking the club publicly in media for month?
Oh yes because he talked trash every week about Brighton & Hove Albion, which is "ambitious". A throwaway comment on the fans is perceived as worse, because Brighton & Hove Albion is the only club in the world where the fans think they're bigger, more beautiful and more important than their club.

Thats how a throwaway comment about a very entitled fanbase boos are more upsetting than someone on a weekly basis humiliating the club over how small and bad it is.

Guess its a consequence of the rough 90s. A lot of guys used the club as a vehicle to boost their own thoughts about their own importance and they're eager to rally behind anyone saying the club, its owner, its ambitions, its size, its model is trash because they got a kick out of doing those things themselves ages ago.

Thats the only real sad thing about it. The guy who spent three years working hard to make the team function is seen as a knob and the guy who spent 1.5 years expressing how small and unambitious the club in order to look better himself is is seen as a club legend. It really says a lot unfortunately, and not about Potter or De Zerbi.

You have completely rewritten history....in every single paragraph. Maybe you need a history lesson?

 

[PILTDOWN MAN]

The club doesn't need your financial support

Maybe not now but plenty on here saved the club by giving financial support, not just paying to go to games. If it wasn't for them, including me, there wouldn't be a club or fans of the club you enjoy being so f***ing condescending to.

 

[Zeus]

My man I've been laughing about you crying over this for years...

 

[Seagull58]

The previous times I've said that plenty of Brighton fans are anti-Bloom, people say "nah no one would ever" and I have to drag out a bunch of quotes and threads filled with people bemoaning everything Tony does and have done. The latest of these "what has Tony ever done for us" conversations was only days ago with team THPP against team Random sensible people in some thread or another.

People like to have the cake and eat it to. By day time they are superfans gatekeeping the mighty Albion from all of the outside world and its horrors (players fiering up the crowd, drums and other evil shit) obediently kneeling in front of king Tony and by night they moan about him being too dumb and cheap not to submit to the guy who wanted to do the opposite of how Tony has been running things.

Its a nice way to make sure that people can be ungrateful as f*** and still label themselves as superfans.

I honestly think you've lost the plot. You are reading far, far too much into comments made on a message board and, as has been stated already, making wild assumptions.
Potter did not spend 3 years building this club from the ground up, and de Zerbi did not spend a year and a half slagging it off.

 

[Zeus]

I've explained why many times. Football is first and foremost recreation and relief for children all over the world. Every time a manager throws a ref under the bus, it hurts children. Every time a manager throws players under the bus, it hurts children. Every time a manager tells his players to dive or waste time, it hurts children. I saw the Jose Mourinho revolution up close and personal when I was a very young coach. Normal arse teenage fathers suddenly starting to make cocky comments to their own players and whatnot.

The fixation with results and achieving them by any means is the common thing in football today. A lot of parents are brainwashed into putting their kids into acadamies etc because they don't understand what football is about, they think its about becoming a top player and not about having a good time. Because that the attitude nearly all coaches have.

But I want children to think football is fun and healthy so I appreciate managers who take responsibility for sports and its role in society. Like Potter and a handful of others.

He's already shown that the pennalistic pedagogics that exist in top football is a suboptimal way of doing things. Its been proven for 70+ years that negative reinforcement isn't as effective as positive, and I think its important that the emotional, infantile and incompetent football establishment realise this as well rather than going with your average screaming petulant "fun to watch on the sideline" coach like Mou, Conte or RDZ.

People in England will never appreciate those things though. The culture of pennalism and scapegoating is both ingrained and something people actually believe works.

Be honest. Did anyone actually read all this post? I made it to the second sentence.