[Football] West ham and Potter

[A1X]

I've explained why many times. Football is first and foremost recreation and relief for children all over the world. Every time a manager throws a ref under the bus, it hurts children. Every time a manager throws players under the bus, it hurts children. Every time a manager tells his players to dive or waste time, it hurts children. I saw the Jose Mourinho revolution up close and personal when I was a very young coach. Normal arse teenage fathers suddenly starting to make cocky comments to their own players and whatnot.

The fixation with results and achieving them by any means is the common thing in football today. A lot of parents are brainwashed into putting their kids into acadamies etc because they don't understand what football is about, they think its about becoming a top player and not about having a good time. Because that the attitude nearly all coaches have.

But I want children to think football is fun and healthy so I appreciate managers who take responsibility for sports and its role in society. Like Potter and a handful of others.

He's already shown that the pennalistic pedagogics that exist in top football is a suboptimal way of doing things. Its been proven for 70+ years that negative reinforcement isn't as effective as positive, and I think its important that the emotional, infantile and incompetent football establishment realise this as well rather than going with your average screaming petulant "fun to watch on the sideline" coach like Mou, Conte or RDZ.

People in England will never appreciate those things though. The culture of pennalism and scapegoating is both ingrained and something people actually believe works.

 

[The Fits]

Dan Gardner Asworth’s recommendation wasn’t it?

Everything is done by algorithm here. Everything. And it is never wrong. Even when we sign players like Fati and Dahoud. Except then it isn’t algorithmic it’s Zerbitastic. It’s confusing.
But there’s always an algorithm and it’s never wrong,

 

[Han Solo]

Man stuck in his teens don't care about children. Thanks for telling. I'll write it down.

 

[Han Solo]

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Good quote. Your point?

 

[TottonSeagull]

I've explained why many times. Football is first and foremost recreation and relief for children all over the world. Every time a manager throws a ref under the bus, it hurts children. Every time a manager throws players under the bus, it hurts children. Every time a manager tells his players to dive or waste time, it hurts children. I saw the Jose Mourinho revolution up close and personal when I was a very young coach. Normal arse teenage fathers suddenly starting to make cocky comments to their own players and whatnot.

The fixation with results and achieving them by any means is the common thing in football today. A lot of parents are brainwashed into putting their kids into acadamies etc because they don't understand what football is about, they think its about becoming a top player and not about having a good time. Because that the attitude nearly all coaches have.

But I want children to think football is fun and healthy so I appreciate managers who take responsibility for sports and its role in society. Like Potter and a handful of others.

He's already shown that the pennalistic pedagogics that exist in top football is a suboptimal way of doing things. Its been proven for 70+ years that negative reinforcement isn't as effective as positive, and I think its important that the emotional, infantile and incompetent football establishment realise this as well rather than going with your average screaming petulant "fun to watch on the sideline" coach like Mou, Conte or RDZ.

People in England will never appreciate those things though. The culture of pennalism and scapegoating is both ingrained and something people actually believe works.

Wow a history lesson from a spaced out fake Swede! Utter AI rubbish!!!

 

[Sarisbury Seagull]

I've explained why many times. Football is first and foremost recreation and relief for children all over the world. Every time a manager throws a ref under the bus, it hurts children. Every time a manager throws players under the bus, it hurts children. Every time a manager tells his players to dive or waste time, it hurts children. I saw the Jose Mourinho revolution up close and personal when I was a very young coach. Normal arse teenage fathers suddenly starting to make cocky comments to their own players and whatnot.

The fixation with results and achieving them by any means is the common thing in football today. A lot of parents are brainwashed into putting their kids into acadamies etc because they don't understand what football is about, they think its about becoming a top player and not about having a good time. Because that the attitude nearly all coaches have.

But I want children to think football is fun and healthy so I appreciate managers who take responsibility for sports and its role in society. Like Potter and a handful of others.

He's already shown that the pennalistic pedagogics that exist in top football is a suboptimal way of doing things. Its been proven for 70+ years that negative reinforcement isn't as effective as positive, and I think its important that the emotional, infantile and incompetent football establishment realise this as well rather than going with your average screaming petulant "fun to watch on the sideline" coach like Mou, Conte or RDZ.

People in England will never appreciate those things though. The culture of pennalism and scapegoating is both ingrained and something people actually believe works.

Nail on the head. Excellent post.

 

[Terry Butcher Tribute Act]

The strong algorithm that identified him?

The very same! And the one who spaffed £16m on Locadia, £17m on Jahanbaksh, and god knows how much on a bunch of crocks last summer.

 

[Zeberdi]

No problem. All the hundreds of people in here who spent the spring moaning about Tony Bloom for a lack of ambition seriously need a history lesson or two, when they've done their "basic manners" courses where you learn to appreciate someone spending £400m on your football club.

Are you sure it’s not you revising history mate? - “hundreds of people” on NSC moaning about Tony Bloom? Hardly. A few maybe but the majority of the moaners were directing their moans at RDZ for airing his annoyances in public and for not accepting the Club’s financial sustainability ethos when it came to recruitment.

As for RDZ spending 18 months making the Club look small and unambitious?! You must be having a laugh! Quite the opposite for the first 13 months of his tenure, RDZ consistently instilled belief into the fans and the players that we could and should aim higher than mid-table where Potter had left us. That belief had helped take us into Europe on the back of beautiful flowing football that was the envy of the Premier League.

It was only in the last 5 months, after horrendous injuries and after competing for the first time in the Europas that RDZ wanted to patch up the holes in the squad with some January signings so like a knob started a slow walk out of here when that didn’t happen, instead of accepting and ploughing on until we could replenish the squad in the summer window.

Potter did work hard and was a good manager but he was also a knob for belittling the Club and accepting a glass ceiling - he was the “Clubs like Brighton” meme ie ones that can never compete with big clubs - I think us routing Chelsea when he returned a few months later proved him wrong. I hope he does well at WHU - It is a Club that suits him but there’s no need to rewrite history for any of our past managers.

Please don’t tell Brighton fans that they don’t appreciate the investment by Tony Bloom. We know what it meant thanks. We were there.

 

[The Fits]

How come the same people moaning about these quotes are the same one who doesn't give a shit about Roberto De Zerbi trashtalking the club publicly in media for month?
Oh yes because he talked trash every week about Brighton & Hove Albion, which is "ambitious". A throwaway comment on the fans is perceived as worse, because Brighton & Hove Albion is the only club in the world where the fans think they're bigger, more beautiful and more important than their club.

Thats how a throwaway comment about a very entitled fanbase boos are more upsetting than someone on a weekly basis humiliating the club over how small and bad it is.

Guess its a consequence of the rough 90s. A lot of guys used the club as a vehicle to boost their own thoughts about their own importance and they're eager to rally behind anyone saying the club, its owner, its ambitions, its size, its model is trash because they got a kick out of doing those things themselves ages ago.

Thats the only real sad thing about it. The guy who spent three years working hard to make the team function is seen as a knob and the guy who spent 1.5 years expressing how small and unambitious the club in order to look better himself is is seen as a club legend. It really says a lot unfortunately, and not about Potter or De Zerbi.

You’ve had some very entertaining posts on this thread but this is bizarre and very contradictory. Your post below this is a romantic ode to a purists football and the wonder of youth. RDZ had us playing the most beautiful football imaginable. Beyond imagination. For a year the envy of the whole world. He could have said what he wanted during that period and most would forgive him because most supporters dream of that kind of football.

 

[Sarisbury Seagull]

How come the same people moaning about these quotes are the same one who doesn't give a shit about Roberto De Zerbi trashtalking the club publicly in media for month?
Oh yes because he talked trash every week about Brighton & Hove Albion, which is "ambitious". A throwaway comment on the fans is perceived as worse, because Brighton & Hove Albion is the only club in the world where the fans think they're bigger, more beautiful and more important than their club.

Thats how a throwaway comment about a very entitled fanbase boos are more upsetting than someone on a weekly basis humiliating the club over how small and bad it is.

Guess its a consequence of the rough 90s. A lot of guys used the club as a vehicle to boost their own thoughts about their own importance and they're eager to rally behind anyone saying the club, its owner, its ambitions, its size, its model is trash because they got a kick out of doing those things themselves ages ago.

Thats the only real sad thing about it. The guy who spent three years working hard to make the team function is seen as a knob and the guy who spent 1.5 years expressing how small and unambitious the club in order to look better himself is is seen as a club legend. It really says a lot unfortunately, and not about Potter or De Zerbi.

Couldn’t have put it better.

 

[Han Solo]

Are you sure it’s not you revising history mate? - “hundreds of people” on NSC moaning about Tony Bloom? Hardly. A few maybe but the majority of the moaners were directing their moans at RDZ for airing his annoyances in public and for not accepting the Club’s financial sustainability ethos when it came to recruitment.

As for RDZ spending 18 months making the Club look small and unambitious?! You must be having a laugh! Quite the opposite for the first 13 months of his tenure, RDZ consistently instilled belief into the fans and the players that we could and should aim higher than mid-table where Potter had left us. That belief had helped take us into Europe.

It was only in the last 5 months, after horrendous injuries and after competing for the first time in the Europas that RDZ wanted to patch up the holes in the squad with some January signings so like a knob started a slow walk out of here when that didn’t happen, instead of accepting and ploughing on until we could replenish the squad in the summer window.

Potter did work hard and was a good manager but he was also a knob for belittling the Club and accepting a glass ceiling - he was the “Clubs like Brighton” meme ie ones that can never compete with big clubs - I think us routing Chelsea when he returned a few months later proved him wrong. I hope he does well at WHU - It is a Club that suits him but there’s no need to rewrite history for any of our past managers.

Please don’t tell Brighton fans that they don’t appreciate the investment by Tony Bloom. We know what it meant thanks. We were there.

No, the vast majority of people were moaning about Tony Bloom for not signing four world class players. Go back to any January thread last year.

RDZ didn't make the club look small and unambitious. He just repeated over and over again that it was.

Graham Potter did not constantly belittle and humiliate the club. Some hurt Brighton fans have tried to make it sound that way, but it has not happened. Roberto De Zerbi did however repeatedly make derogatory comments about the club. When Baleba had a good game a year ago, RDZ answered "well the club will be happy because they can sell him". RDZ at the end of the 22-23 season said that Caicedo and Mac Allister "deserved to play in bigger clubs". Roberto was CONSTANTLY making these remarks, and people ignored them because they had to love him due to being hurt over Potter. It really is that simple.

I will stop telling Brighton fans that they don't appreciate Bloom when they don't take the first chance of attacking him but as we could see last winter, many are willing to take the managers side against the club and its owner. All you have to do is trashtalk the club so that you can look bigger and better than the club. Many Brighton fans can relate to that.

 

[Weststander]

Are you sure it’s not you revising history mate? - “hundreds of people” on NSC moaning about Tony Bloom? Hardly. A few maybe but the majority of the moaners were directing their moans at RDZ for airing his annoyances in public and for not accepting the Club’s financial sustainability ethos when it came to recruitment.

As for RDZ spending 18 months making the Club look small and unambitious?! You must be having a laugh! Quite the opposite for the first 13 months of his tenure, RDZ consistently instilled belief into the fans and the players that we could and should aim higher than mid-table where Potter had left us. That belief had helped take us into Europe.

It was only in the last 5 months, after horrendous injuries and after competing for the first time in the Europas that RDZ wanted to patch up the holes in the squad with some January signings so like a knob started a slow walk out of here when that didn’t happen, instead of accepting and ploughing on until we could replenish the squad in the summer window.

Potter did work hard and was a good manager but he was also a knob for belittling the Club and accepting a glass ceiling - he was the “Clubs like Brighton” meme ie ones that can never compete with big clubs - I think us routing Chelsea when he returned a few months later proved him wrong. I hope he does well at WHU - It is a Club that suits him but there’s no need to rewrite history for any of our past managers.

Please don’t tell Brighton fans that they don’t appreciate the investment by Tony Bloom. We know what it meant thanks. We were there.

It’s a false narrative to try to create a split. Bloom is revered. Fact.

When people moan about transfer window activity or not, it isn’t an attack on TB the owner or person. Just venting that squad weaknesses aren’t all dealt with at once. All sets of fans do it. If anything, PB takes the blows.

 

[The Fits]

No, the vast majority of people were moaning about Tony Bloom for not signing four world class players. Go back to any January thread last year.

RDZ didn't make the club look small and unambitious. He just repeated over and over again that it was.

Graham Potter did not constantly belittle and humiliate the club. Some hurt Brighton fans have tried to make it sound that way, but it has not happened. Roberto De Zerbi did however repeatedly make derogatory comments about the club. When Baleba had a good game a year ago, RDZ answered "well the club will be happy because they can sell him". RDZ at the end of the 22-23 season said that Caicedo and Mac Allister "deserved to play in bigger clubs". Roberto was CONSTANTLY making these remarks, and people ignored them because they had to love him due to being hurt over Potter. It really is that simple.

I will stop telling Brighton fans that they don't appreciate Bloom when they don't take the first chance of attacking him but as we could see last winter, many are willing to take the managers side against the club and its owner. All you have to do is trashtalk the club so that you can look bigger and better than the club. Many Brighton fans can relate to that.

You’re making some incredibly wild assumptions and accusations today. That last paragraph is insane. You take a few posters on here, often posts made in the heat of the moment, and turn it into something it isn’t.
Bloom is a hero amongst Albion supporters and of any team in the world we understand best that none of us, or anyone, is bigger than our club.

 

[Weststander]

No, the vast majority of people were moaning about Tony Bloom for not signing four world class players. Go back to any January thread last year.

RDZ didn't make the club look small and unambitious. He just repeated over and over again that it was.

Graham Potter did not constantly belittle and humiliate the club. Some hurt Brighton fans have tried to make it sound that way, but it has not happened. Roberto De Zerbi did however repeatedly make derogatory comments about the club. When Baleba had a good game a year ago, RDZ answered "well the club will be happy because they can sell him". RDZ at the end of the 22-23 season said that Caicedo and Mac Allister "deserved to play in bigger clubs". Roberto was CONSTANTLY making these remarks, and people ignored them because they had to love him due to being hurt over Potter. It really is that simple.

I will stop telling Brighton fans that they don't appreciate Bloom when they don't take the first chance of attacking him but as we could see last winter, many are willing to take the managers side against the club and its owner. All you have to do is trashtalk the club so that you can look bigger and better than the club. Many Brighton fans can relate to that.

No one would’ve said 4 world class players.

Just hoping some players would come in who could give us 4 months of maintaining the high standards April 22 to Sept 23. But knowing deep down that it wouldn’t really happen. Just a hope, a dream.

 

[beorhthelm]

I've explained why many times. Football is first and foremost recreation and relief for children all over the world. Every time a manager throws a ref under the bus, it hurts children. Every time a manager throws players under the bus, it hurts children. Every time a manager tells his players to dive or waste time, it hurts children. I saw the Jose Mourinho revolution up close and personal when I was a very young coach. Normal arse teenage fathers suddenly starting to make cocky comments to their own players and whatnot.

The fixation with results and achieving them by any means is the common thing in football today. A lot of parents are brainwashed into putting their kids into acadamies etc because they don't understand what football is about, they think its about becoming a top player and not about having a good time. Because that the attitude nearly all coaches have.

But I want children to think football is fun and healthy so I appreciate managers who take responsibility for sports and its role in society. Like Potter and a handful of others.

He's already shown that the pennalistic pedagogics that exist in top football is a suboptimal way of doing things. Its been proven for 70+ years that negative reinforcement isn't as effective as positive, and I think its important that the emotional, infantile and incompetent football establishment realise this as well rather than going with your average screaming petulant "fun to watch on the sideline" coach like Mou, Conte or RDZ.

People in England will never appreciate those things though. The culture of pennalism and scapegoating is both ingrained and something people actually believe works.

what a load of pretentious bollocks.

 

[BBassic]

Well I for one am shocked, shocked, this thread has gone this way.

No, wait. I'm not. Not even a little bit.

 

[Zeberdi]

I'm not going to talk about RDZ on a daily basis like some Potter critics/obsessives in two years time ... because that would be pathetic, even by my standards.

Surely the “Potter obsessives” are the ones talking about Potter two years after he left - that’s why we call them Potter obsessives. (Not that I’m calling you ‘pathetic’ you understand!)

If people are still moaning about RDZ in two years time, then yes, they would suitably earn the epithet of being “RDZ obsessives’

Great entertaining thread btw - You and Mustafa have really cheered me up this evening after being rather depressed in the past few days about how much money I have spent going to support my Club this month.

 

[Justice]

You’re making some incredibly wild assumptions and accusations today. That last paragraph is insane. You take a few posters on here, often posts made in the heat of the moment, and turn it into something it isn’t.
Bloom is a hero amongst Albion supporters and of any team in the world we understand best that none of us, or anyone, is bigger than our club.

I’ve never seen anti Bloom posts on here. Signings always plenty of moans and groans and the man himself would admit he has made mistakes during his tenure.
Poor old Hans can’t deal with Potter criticism although to bring TB into the equation is a low blow.

 

[Han Solo]

what a load of pretentious bollocks.

Yes the mental health of children is seen as pretentious bollocks today and so I've been pretentious for 20 years because I think its important (more important than anything else in the whole world, literally) that kids have a good childhood. I hope the world will be going in a more pretentious and less tweet-somethin-nasty direction soon.

Surely the “Potter obsessives” are the ones talking about Potter two years after he left - that’s why we call them Potter obsessives. (Not that I’m calling you ‘pathetic’ you understand!)

If people are still moaning about RDZ in two years time, then yes, they would suitably earn the epithet of being “RDZ obsessives’

Great entertaining thread btw - You and Mustafa have really cheered me up this evening after being rather depressed in the past few days about how much money I have spent going to support my Club this month.

Understandable. The club doesn't need your financial support, all your money will be spent on more luxuary for young multi millionaires. I can see how that can feel depressing. Luckily there are other ways to support a club.

 

[Justice]

Couldn’t have put it better.

What you actually believe that last paragraph? It’s utter nonsense. He got the hump from January onwards we all know that.