Welcoming refugees. Well done Brits!

[The Clamp]

Some people such as Ppf have fallen for the Tory propaganda and are scared. My only advice would be to seek out the facts. This will very likely curb your fears. Or at the very least make you slightly less vitriolic to those in need?

Here’s some facts that I hope bring you some calmer feelings;



“Many migrants already choose to make an asylum claim in the first country they arrive in - such as Greece, Turkey or Italy - and only a minority choose to travel on to the UK.
Last year, Germany had the highest number of asylum applicants in the EU (122,015 applicants), while France had 93,475 applicants.
In the same period the UK received the 5th largest number of applicants (36,041) when compared with countries in the EU (around 7% of the total). This represents the 17th largest intake when measured per head of population, according to UN Refugee Agency”.


So you see, everyone is taking refugees in. They aren’t all flocking here in hordes as some would have us believe.

 

[Lever]

From the British Red Cross...

Asylum seekers: are they living on easy street?
It’s hard to picture what life is like for an asylum seeker in the UK.

Some papers talk about five-star mod cons, while others write about dirt and grime. Now, housing asylum seekers in military barracks is in the news, particularly the situation at Napier barracks near Folkestone, Kent. So, are they living it up while you’re struggling? And do they jump to the front of the council house queue?

Let’s look at the housing an asylum seeker actually gets – and lift the curtain on those living conditions.

Are asylum seekers put in ‘top hotels’?
Short answer: no.

When an asylum seeker arrives in the UK, they are unlikely to know anyone here or have anywhere to go.

The Home Office will house them in an initial accommodation centre. This is a temporary measure before they’re moved on elsewhere, to something more permanent.

But pressures on the system mean that sometimes these centres are full – and barracks, hotels and B&Bs are used as ‘overspill’.

By their very nature, military bases are not an appropriate place for people seeking asylum to stay in. Many will have fled horrible situations, including conflict, persecution and imprisonment in their home country. This is before they even get to the UK.


Why can’t they just enjoy the seaside while they wait?

Asylum seekers did not choose to stay at the barracks in Kent, beautiful as the south coast can be. The asylum seekers living there probably have neither hiking boots for cliff walks nor swimsuits for summer dips in the sea.

An asylum seeker tends to leave suddenly, and then make a long and difficult journey – so you probably won’t see one lugging a large suitcase around.

That’s why it helps to remember the legal definition of an asylum seeker. They flee their home when they face persecution and lack protection.

Many of those staying at Napier barracks are from war-torn countries like Syria, Eritrea, Iraq and Afghanistan. It’s a pity more news reports don’t touch on these experiences.

Well, what happens next?

Thankfully, an asylum seeker eventually receives a more permanent place to stay.

But they have no choice about where they end up – even if they do know someone in a certain part of the country.

And they definitely won’t end up with a penthouse suite in Mayfair. Due to a housing shortage in London and south-east England, most asylum seekers are sent where accommodation is cheaper. The Home Office calls it ‘dispersal’.

And they won’t get a council house, either. An asylum seeker cannot access this standard welfare – only specific asylum support.

The accommodation they do have is usually a shared house, with lots of people squeezed in. There are reports of overcrowding, missing cots for children and general dirt and grime. Many are far from city centres, too.

But do they get this free housing forever?
No.

When someone gets refugee status, they can no longer stay in asylum accommodation. They can choose where to live, but they have to pay for their rent or ask for government help – like any UK citizen. (But without the family ties or support that many of us take for granted.)

A refugee is assessed against the same criteria as other British nationals. They are not automatically prioritised for any housing they need.

And the ones turned down? Well, it’s not true that “even those whose applications are refused get somewhere to live”.

If the Home Office dismisses their case, they have to return to their home country.

In some situations (for instance, if there’s reason to appeal or no safe route back), an asylum seeker may be eligible for short-term support.

This includes some temporary accommodation. But once again, the person has no choice over where they go or with whom they stay.

They’ll probably have to start all over again in another new and unfamiliar town.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

https://youtu.be/d2BqaTCujlM
Regards
DF

 

[Lever]

Some people such as Ppf have fallen for the Tory propaganda and are scared. My only advice would be to seek out the facts. This will very likely curb your fears. Or at the very least make you slightly less vitriolic to those in need?

Here’s some facts that I hope bring you some calmer feelings;

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“Many migrants already choose to make an asylum claim in the first country they arrive in - such as Greece, Turkey or Italy - and only a minority choose to travel on to the UK.
Last year, Germany had the highest number of asylum applicants in the EU (122,015 applicants), while France had 93,475 applicants.
In the same period the UK received the 5th largest number of applicants (36,041) when compared with countries in the EU (around 7% of the total). This represents the 17th largest intake when measured per head of population, according to UN Refugee Agency”.


So you see, everyone is taking refugees in. They aren’t all flocking here in hordes as some would have us believe.

Good post but lost on a locked mind....

 

[The Clamp]

Good post but lost on a locked mind....

Interesting though. Even I didn’t quite know the figures .

 

[rogersix]

Back to France
Regards
DF

But what if they're grafters? Or intelligent? Or both? With the baby boomers about to retire, and obviously the Brexit catastrophe, we are gonna need as many tax payers as we can get. As it stands the figures just don't add up

 

[rogersix]

Well action speaks better then words send them back to France as MOST of them are economic time wasters not required in this country ,who's going to slap us on the wrist if we do ? the moment we start turning them back that's the moment they stop coming .
People in this country are fed up with this continuous farce , France is a safe country the only issue is they don't put them up in 4 star hotels feed them 3 times a day and give them some pocket money

Regards
DF

Walk me through the logistics of sending them back to France

 

[rogersix]

No one's telling lies, 80% of the arrivals are men of a certain age who are making a illegal crossing of the channel who are economic migrants I know you find it difficult to accept that but that's what's happening

Firm action needs to be in place to stop that this farce can't continue

Regards
DF

So you're saying that they are keen to work?

 

[rogersix]

You still can't address the situation ......carry on though

Regards
DF

TBF, you are the one running from reality

 

[rogersix]

The French aren't going to help us Macron is still bitter and twisted over Brexit, this country has to take its own control and forget about the French to much pussy footing around and the public are fed up with it !

Regards
DF

Oh, you ran off before you had a chance address any of my issues. in your own sweet time, I'll wait here till you get back

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Walk me through the logistics of sending them back to France

No walking involved just send them back on the next available boat you know it makes sense
Regards
DF

 

[rogersix]

No walking involved just send them back on the next available boat you know it makes sense
Regards
DF

What if the French say "non"

 

[Is it PotG?]

What if the French say "non"

Can't see that at all, such a friendly and helpful accommodating bunch.

 

[rogersix]

Can't see that at all, such a friendly and helpful accommodating bunch.

i'm not so sure they would comply with our wishes, i think they may get awkward as we're so obnoxious and antagonistic

 

[The Clamp]

We elected to leave the EU and then spent five + years antagonising them. I can quite see why the French might say
“ pas notre problème mon pote”!

 

[Is it PotG?]

We elected to leave the EU and then spent five + years antagonising them. I can quite see why the French might say
“ pas notre problème mon pote”!

Spot on, totally down to us leaving the EU.

Nobody would ever have dreamed of calling the French arrgoant and awkward prior to that.
Probably their gratitude for the help in recent conflicts that cements that relationship.

Still, a nation that gave us the brilliant "Spiral" can't be all bad.

 

[WATFORD zero]

Spot on, totally down to us leaving the EU.

Nobody would ever have dreamed of calling the French arrgoant and awkward prior to that.
Probably their gratitude for the help in recent conflicts that cements that relationship.

Still, a nation that gave us the brilliant "Spiral" can't be all bad.

And what do you suggest as outline solutions to solve this ?

 

[Is it PotG?]

And what do you suggest as outline solutions to solve this ?

Blimey, a bit of deja vu.

I asked the very same a couple of nights back.

 

[The Clamp]

Spot on, totally down to us leaving the EU.

Nobody would ever have dreamed of calling the French arrgoant and awkward prior to that.
Probably their gratitude for the help in recent conflicts that cements that relationship.

Still, a nation that gave us the brilliant "Spiral" can't be all bad.

Well, you’re quite right that the French can get defensive and belligerent. This is why we need deplomacy and tact. Not Priti Patel blaming everyone else.

In some ways I’m hesitant to condemn Johnson’s approach outright. His letter seemed quite reasonable to me. Or a good start at least.

 

[WATFORD zero]

Blimey, a bit of deja vu.

I asked the very same a couple of nights back.

But you never ever have an answer, just constant trolling. I've explained my solutions.


Show us that you are capable of debate and suggest some solutions