Welcoming refugees. Well done Brits!

[birthofanorange]

ppf doesn't want a solution to them losing their lives. He wants a solution to them arriving here.

Quite, and nobody's fooled by these 'new and improved', less antagonistic posts. Admittedly, it makes for a more cordial atmosphere ( superficially, at least), but it's a poor disguise.

Happy to see us all (and I include myself), sticking by them.

So far, anyway.

 

[Is it PotG?]

But you never ever have an answer, just constant trolling. I've explained my solutions.


Show us that you are capable of debate and suggest some solutions

If you use the world 'trolling' enough, it might get the attention you so desire.

Sir, Sir.......

I posed the question to several of your 'chums', nobody had an answer.

 

[WATFORD zero]

If you use the world 'trolling' enough, it might get the attention you so desire.

Sir, Sir.......

I posed the question to several of your 'chums', nobody had an answer.

And yet more trolling, whataboutism. You have no suggestions do you ?

Just get a job, a girlfriend, a life or whatever it takes to stop your trolling on here under various accounts. It's not like you're 13 FFS

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

From the British Red Cross...

Asylum seekers: are they living on easy street?
It’s hard to picture what life is like for an asylum seeker in the UK.

Some papers talk about five-star mod cons, while others write about dirt and grime. Now, housing asylum seekers in military barracks is in the news, particularly the situation at Napier barracks near Folkestone, Kent. So, are they living it up while you’re struggling? And do they jump to the front of the council house queue?

Let’s look at the housing an asylum seeker actually gets – and lift the curtain on those living conditions.

Are asylum seekers put in ‘top hotels’?
Short answer: no.

When an asylum seeker arrives in the UK, they are unlikely to know anyone here or have anywhere to go.

The Home Office will house them in an initial accommodation centre. This is a temporary measure before they’re moved on elsewhere, to something more permanent.

But pressures on the system mean that sometimes these centres are full – and barracks, hotels and B&Bs are used as ‘overspill’.

By their very nature, military bases are not an appropriate place for people seeking asylum to stay in. Many will have fled horrible situations, including conflict, persecution and imprisonment in their home country. This is before they even get to the UK.


Why can’t they just enjoy the seaside while they wait?

Asylum seekers did not choose to stay at the barracks in Kent, beautiful as the south coast can be. The asylum seekers living there probably have neither hiking boots for cliff walks nor swimsuits for summer dips in the sea.

An asylum seeker tends to leave suddenly, and then make a long and difficult journey – so you probably won’t see one lugging a large suitcase around.

That’s why it helps to remember the legal definition of an asylum seeker. They flee their home when they face persecution and lack protection.

Many of those staying at Napier barracks are from war-torn countries like Syria, Eritrea, Iraq and Afghanistan. It’s a pity more news reports don’t touch on these experiences.

Well, what happens next?

Thankfully, an asylum seeker eventually receives a more permanent place to stay.

But they have no choice about where they end up – even if they do know someone in a certain part of the country.

And they definitely won’t end up with a penthouse suite in Mayfair. Due to a housing shortage in London and south-east England, most asylum seekers are sent where accommodation is cheaper. The Home Office calls it ‘dispersal’.

And they won’t get a council house, either. An asylum seeker cannot access this standard welfare – only specific asylum support.

The accommodation they do have is usually a shared house, with lots of people squeezed in. There are reports of overcrowding, missing cots for children and general dirt and grime. Many are far from city centres, too.

But do they get this free housing forever?
No.

When someone gets refugee status, they can no longer stay in asylum accommodation. They can choose where to live, but they have to pay for their rent or ask for government help – like any UK citizen. (But without the family ties or support that many of us take for granted.)

A refugee is assessed against the same criteria as other British nationals. They are not automatically prioritised for any housing they need.

And the ones turned down? Well, it’s not true that “even those whose applications are refused get somewhere to live”.

If the Home Office dismisses their case, they have to return to their home country.

In some situations (for instance, if there’s reason to appeal or no safe route back), an asylum seeker may be eligible for short-term support.

This includes some temporary accommodation. But once again, the person has no choice over where they go or with whom they stay.

They’ll probably have to start all over again in another new and unfamiliar town.

You carry on tugging at the heart strings No documentation no ID no entry into the UK stop this farce NOW
Regards
DG

 

[Lever]

You carry on tugging at the heart strings No documentation no ID no entry into the UK stop this farce NOW
Regards
DG

Thanks, keep it coming... your sanctimonious gibberish really is good entertainment and if you carry on using spellcheck and getting a literate person to proofread your texts you could pass yourself off as a sentient, if not sensitive life form....

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

And here's Kate ruffling a few feathers in the house of woke


Regards
DF
https://youtu.be/NMjXqlElGus

 

[birthofanorange]

You carry on tugging at the heart strings No documentation no ID no entry into the UK stop this farce NOW
Regards
DG

Best you email the Red Cross and tell them where they're going wrong. I'm sure they'd be happy to hear from you.

 

[nicko31]

Well, you’re quite right that the French can get defensive and belligerent. This is why we need deplomacy and tact. Not Priti Patel blaming everyone else.

In some ways I’m hesitant to condemn Johnson’s approach outright. His letter seemed quite reasonable to me. Or a good start at least.

Problem is he put his letter out just before 10pm last night to make the late news and the gutter print

He needs to learn other countries have issues with migrants too (most in Europe have a bigger problem than us, including France) they have domestic politics too and also elections

France aren't buying the Johnson stunt and its hardly surprising, they had enough

 

[The Clamp]

Problem is he put his letter out just before 10pm last night to make the late news and the gutter print

He needs to learn other countries have issues with migrants too (most in Europe have a bigger problem than us, including France) they have domestic politics too and also elections

France aren't buying the Johnson stunt and its hardly surprising, they had enough

Ah. Fair do’s. I was wondering what I had missed. I knew it would be rotten somewhere.

 

[Lever]

Problem is he put his letter out just before 10pm last night to make the late news and the gutter print

He needs to learn other countries have issues with migrants too (most in Europe have a bigger problem than us, including France) they have domestic politics too and also elections

France aren't buying the Johnson stunt and its hardly surprising, they had enough

In some ways it doesn't matter. The stunt was intended to win the approval of his right wing xenophobic fanbase and I am sure it will have achieved that aim.

 

[nicko31]

In some ways it doesn't matter. The stunt was intended to win the approval of his right wing xenophobic fanbase and I am sure it will have achieved that aim.

He has the xenophobes anyway, but for Johnson its not about governing, its about constant campaigning despite being years from an election.

This is why he fails as PM over and over again.

 

[pastafarian]

Some people such as Ppf have fallen for the Tory propaganda and are scared. My only advice would be to seek out the facts. This will very likely curb your fears. Or at the very least make you slightly less vitriolic to those in need?

Here’s some facts that I hope bring you some calmer feelings;

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“Many migrants already choose to make an asylum claim in the first country they arrive in - such as Greece, Turkey or Italy - and only a minority choose to travel on to the UK.
Last year, Germany had the highest number of asylum applicants in the EU (122,015 applicants), while France had 93,475 applicants.
In the same period the UK received the 5th largest number of applicants (36,041) when compared with countries in the EU (around 7% of the total). This represents the 17th largest intake when measured per head of population, according to UN Refugee Agency”.


So you see, everyone is taking refugees in. They aren’t all flocking here in hordes as some would have us believe.

And yet everyone in Europe is also rejecting large numbers of asylum applications.
Those graph figures are of asylum applications . An asylum application does not confirm or equal being a refugee

The Eurostat figures

In 2020, 521 000 first instance decisions on asylum applications were made in the EU

211 800 (40.7%) were given a positive outcome.
Of the 211,800 positive outcomes ( 50.1% or 106,200 were given refugee status, 49.9% or 105,700 were given subsidiary protection or authorisation to stay).

309,200 (59.3%) asylum applications were rejected.

20.4% of the 521000 first instance decisions on asylum applications were given refugee status.

EU Eurostat
https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/stati...istics#First-time_applicants:_416_600_in_2020






What a state of affairs that the number of asylum applications in the EU from Venezuela and Columbia are nearly the same as the number from Syria.

 

[The Clamp]

And yet everyone in Europe is also rejecting large numbers of asylum applications.
Those graph figures are of asylum applications . An asylum application does not confirm or equal being a refugee

The Eurostat figures

In 2020, 521 000 first instance decisions on asylum applications were made in the EU

211 800 (40.7%) were given a positive outcome.
Of the 211,800 positive outcomes ( 50.1% or 106,200 were given refugee status, 49.9% or 105,700 were given subsidiary protection or authorisation to stay).

309,200 (59.3%) asylum applications were rejected.

20.4% of the 521000 first instance decisions on asylum applications were given refugee status.

EU Eurostat
https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/stati...istics#First-time_applicants:_416_600_in_2020



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What a state of affairs that the number of asylum applications in the EU from Venezuela and Columbia are nearly the same as the number from Syria.

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Yes. That wasn’t my point. I was highlighting that they are not all heading here like hordes of invaders. Far from it.
While the figures you post are interesting and thanks for putting the effort in, they are rather irrelevant to the point I was making.

 

[pastafarian]

Yes. That wasn’t my point. I was highlighting that they are not all heading here like hordes of invaders. Far from it.
While the figures you post are interesting and thanks for putting the effort in, they are rather irrelevant to the point I was making.

Im sure everyone on here already knows they are not all heading here and a significant number of asylum applications occur elsewhere.
Your point was therefore...........pointless.

 

[Randy McNob]

Spot on, totally down to us leaving the EU.

Nobody would ever have dreamed of calling the French arrgoant and awkward prior to that.
Probably their gratitude for the help in recent conflicts that cements that relationship.

Still, a nation that gave us the brilliant "Spiral" can't be all bad.

you say that kind of stuff yet in regards to brexit you say how people should "move on"

 

[The Clamp]

Im sure everyone on here already knows they are not all heading here and a significant number of asylum applications occur elsewhere.
Your point was therefore...........pointless.

I wouldn't be so sure

 

[pastafarian]

I wouldn't be so sure

I have never seen anyone on here say all the asylum seekers are heading here.

 

[birthofanorange]

I have never seen anyone on here say all the asylum seekers are heading here.

Maybe you should try reading between the lines, perhaps? Just a well-intentioned suggestion.

 

[pastafarian]

Maybe you should try reading between the lines, perhaps? Just a well-intentioned suggestion.

I prefer to take what is actually written and not read between the lines and imagine what one wants to speculate might be there.
That way is a dangerous road to fake news. Just some well intentioned advice.

 

[birthofanorange]

I prefer to take what is actually written and not read between the lines and imagine what one wants to speculate might be there.
That way is a dangerous road to fake news. Just some well intentioned advice.

Plenty of that on here, already, imho.