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[Justice]

How many troops would we need to mobilise to help win the war in Ukraine and engage in a wider conflict? 100k...250k?? I strongly believe the British army is much stronger than the sum of its parts, probably the strongest in the world per head but to be effective we'd need 10's of thousands of regular people to sign up, I don't think the 18-35 year olds in this country have it in them to win a war, not in the same way our grandparents did.

This country today gives nothing back to its younger people apart from financial hardship and housing misery.
Why would they fight for it?

 

[Poskettspurpose]

I've said it before and I'll say it again - boots on the ground from NATO/European nations - and I don't just mean UK and French Special Forces who are already there. Battalions of combat troops are needed.

Eyeroll - hopefully you’ll be one of the ‘boots on the ground’ but I see you as more of a remote drone operator…

 

[beorhthelm]

This country today gives nothing back to its younger people apart from financial hardship and housing misery.
Why would they fight for it?

*sigh* what a dismal view. compare the lot of the youth today to that of 1930's, which would be better to live in? yet they would be willing to fight for important cause.

 

[A mex eyecan]

I’m more than certain that two of our Vanguard Class SSBN’s entire payload’s of 32 ICBM’s with all the warheads attached to the pointy ends would obliterate most of Russia, we don’t have to lean to hard on the French

but are they working?

 

[Pavilionaire]

Starmer and other European leaders need to agree on a collective course of action about rearmamant. procurement and defence. There needs to be a tangible change in policy across Europe that we all feel and identify with as happening. The people of Europe are united in their dismay towards Putin and Trump's betrayal of Europe and NATO, and we must use that unity.

If this doesn't happen there will be drift and division.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

There are more ways than one to skin a cat. The USSR collapsed like a line of dominoes due to economic pressures.
Supply Ukraine with the drones and weaponry but keep up the pressure on the rouble.

I’ve just been reading about the Ukrainian entrepreneurs who have opened 90,000 new businesses in Poland. Bravo Ukraine.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

but are they working?

24/7.

Btw Finland stood up to the aggressive bear, and won.

 

[jcdenton08]

Fook me..the flapping going on here is palpable, even across the digital airwaves...

Trump is a fool, a clown of the highest order, he has completely failed to read the room on Ukraine, he needs to back Europe or feel the backlash, even in his own constituencies.

Putin will not challenge a united European (NATO) military because he knows the US cannot sit back, despite Trump and Vance chucking around schoolboy rhetoric.

In a few weeks all will be calm..... if not, then what TF do I know!?

I don’t think you appreciate the seriousness of the situation. We’ve never been closer to a world war since 1945.

 

[peterward]

Massive European military coordination needed immediately
European troops inside Ukraine soon to come
Huge ramping up of weaponry to go straight to Ukraine

Isolate Farage, Reform, GB News and all that lot who are dong the fascist Putin's work for him in the UK

I agree with you. Having Turkey onside too will be huge, however I think one of the single most important first steps is to deal with, or find a mechanism to marginalise Orban in Budapest and Fico in Slovakia.

They're both Trojan horses who will do Putins bidding and try and block any move towards militray help to Ukriane, any unity on the subject or EU funding.

Sideline them, then move onto European defense force and Ukraine support.

Will this be Europes finest hour? or more empty promises without action?

 

[cheshunt seagull]

Please no, I want peace not more bloodshed?

If we don't show strength and co-ordination now then many years of bloodshed lie ahead of us and it will get progressively closer to home as war will come to the Baltic, to Poland and Finland. Our actions over the next few months will determine the future of Europe and possibly the world for many decades. I know it sounds like I am catastrophising but history provides a very clear indication of what we must do. At this moment the security for Ukraine and security for Europe are one and the same thing, the message to Putin must be that there are no limits to what we will do to maintain it.

 

[Poskettspurpose]

If we don't show strength and co-ordination now then many years of bloodshed lie ahead of us and it will get progressively closer to home as war will come to the Baltic, to Poland and Finland. Our actions over the next few months will determine the future of Europe and possibly the world for many decades. I know it sounds like I am catastrophising but history provides a very clear indication of what we must do. At this moment the security for Ukraine and security for Europe are one and the same thing, the message to Putin must be that there are no limits to what we will do to maintain it.

By we do you mean - you, me or someone else? Who is ‘we’?

 

[Poskettspurpose]

If we don't show strength and co-ordination now then many years of bloodshed lie ahead of us and it will get progressively closer to home as war will come to the Baltic, to Poland and Finland. Our actions over the next few months will determine the future of Europe and possibly the world for many decades. I know it sounds like I am catastrophising but history provides a very clear indication of what we must do. At this moment the security for Ukraine and security for Europe are one and the same thing, the message to Putin must be that there are no limits to what we will do to maintain it.

Why don’t we just skip all this posturing and move straight to global thermonuclear war?

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Eyeroll - hopefully you’ll be one of the ‘boots on the ground’ but I see you as more of a remote drone operator…

I'm too old for the front line. I assume you're more for capitulation than fight ?

 

[Zeus]

Glad to see Northstandchat armchair keyboard pundits are just as willing and arrogant to transpose their obviously huge intellect into politics. These threads tbh make me want to vomit. You don't 'do nothing' to get peace, you work extremely hard to negotiate and sometimes that means compromise. Sitting behind your keyboard urging others to sacrifice themselves in the name of you ideals is quite frankly pathetic. The whole 'Trump bad - Zelensky good' argument doesn't wash with me. I'm no fan of Trump but Zelensky is no saint and the Biden's appear to have nefarious intent with regards to Ukraine and all countries (that includes the European Union Germany/France) along with their big business and financial institutions are looking for opportunities to exploit and profit.

Read a book before you comment.

Absolutely nailed it. The nonsense from people sat 1000s of miles from the pain of war cheerleading the continuation of bloodshed for a war that is clearly never going to end with the current more weapons and boots on the ground strategy is nauseating and naive in the extreme.

 

[Justice]

*sigh* what a dismal view. compare the lot of the youth today to that of 1930's, which would be better to live in? yet they would be willing to fight for important cause.

It’s a different world now compared to the easy brainwashing of youths back then.
Ask around the young people today and they will tell you they feel let down by their own county. The old war time spirit everyone must do their bit won’t exist in modern times.

 

[Zeus]

How many troops would we need to mobilise to help win the war in Ukraine and engage in a wider conflict? 100k...250k?? I strongly believe the British army is much stronger than the sum of its parts, probably the strongest in the world per head but to be effective we'd need 10's of thousands of regular people to sign up, I don't think the 18-35 year olds in this country have it in them to win a war, not in the same way our grandparents did.

And why would kids in this country want to go and die on a distant battle field on Ukraine for today’s politicians? Those days are over.

 

[Poskettspurpose]

I'm too old for the front line. I assume you're more for capitulation than fight ?

I was just coaxing your narrative out, and there it is. The choice isn’t linear, but there is a chance to broker peace rather than making more conscripts and civilians die for your hashtags - and while we’re on this even the title of this thread is quite frankly part of someone’s showboating ego trip, it’s all for show, the op and their disciples have no intention of doing anything other than sitting at their keyboards telling others they should die for the cause until this conflict ends.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Absolutely nailed it. The nonsense from people sat 1000s of miles from the pain of war cheerleading the continuation of bloodshed for a war that is clearly never going to end with the current more weapons and boots on the ground strategy is nauseating and naive in the extreme.

Nobody is cheerleading it but discussing what may happen. I, for one, have pointed out the economic sanctions.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Eyeroll - hopefully you’ll be one of the ‘boots on the ground’ but I see you as more of a remote drone operator…

For someone who was complaining about political threads on the Trump thread, joining in on this one is a bit hypocritical, is it not?

 

[wehatepalace]

Nah you’re alright, taking on Russia without the yanks isn’t an option, let the Diplomats sort this one out.
I don’t fancy a nuclear war.