Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
It won’t come to that. Putin is struggling having to call in the North Koreans to help, and their economy is tanking.
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- Thread starter Machiavelli
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But the choice is linear - it's a choice of allowing the aggressor to take land and then appease them with a deal allowing them to keep said invaded land or to fight to keep your land. Now if you want to appease then fine ( and I suspect given you didn't answer my capitulation question you do ) but most people would want to get rid of the aggressor. Sadly Trump and Vance are appeasers - hopefully Russia invades Alaska next.
cheshunt seagull
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- Jul 5, 2003
- 2,642
Providing a credible opposition to Putin is now the only way that we can get him to roll back on the territorial ambitions that he has done little to hide and thereby reduce the risk of further conflict. Europe has to do this by itself now that the USA can no longer be relied on. You could argue that our acquiescence in 2014 led directly to where we are now and each time we let him get what he wants the stakes get higher with his next move. I hate the thought of any armed conflict with Russia; I lived in Moscow when I was younger and I believe that strength on our part at this time will also save Russian lives.
- Apr 13, 2015
- 3,967
Are you crazy?.... Suez, Korea, Vietnam, various Gulf Wars, Afghanistan.. . . not to mention the Cuba crisis and the associated Cold War shenanigans that could have exploded at any given moment for 25 years.... .
- Oct 17, 2008
- 16,179
As always, the devil is in the detail. With NATO’s strength across Europe, and a clear European/Russo-American divide, the chances of a world war have never been higher.
Poskettspurpose
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- Jun 18, 2021
- 126
This! Being polite there is such a sway on NSC over the last 24hrs for #passionoverfacts #imanexpertbecauseisayiam. Put simply a considerable number of posters telling you/us that you we know what we're talking about, all the while spewing absolute rubbish about what they don't know about what constitutes 'pivotal moments in history'.
If you remember your Orwell, a stable global scenario can be manufactured by three superstates engaging in carefully regulated 'wars' in 'disputed' territories. Largely proxy wars involving troops flown in from poorer and more primitive parts of the 'empires'.
At stake, the promise of a Great Victory (an, I am making this up now, mineral rights).
Oh and at the drop of a hat, Oceana is no longer at war with Eurasia. It is at war with Eastasia.
Rinse and repeat.
So my take is this.
There will be no US troops in combat un Ukrain.
(The fact there are Russian troops there is a sign of Putin's weakness and recklessness, risking domestic protests, albeit he crushed that easily).
Putin will not escalate to nuclear
Putin will never invade Alaska
Putin will settle for perpetual churn in Eastern Ukraine until Ukrain capitulates.
Britain and the EU will not be able to reach an agreement on how to assist Ukraine.
Britain and the UK may follow Biden's policy of sending weapons and money to perpetuate the meat-grinder
And in the end a deal will be signed and Ukraine will have lost much land and countless people.
As for the global ramifications, there are none.
Putin may start another war somewhere else in its former empire where there is a large Russian population.
But not on distant sovereign soil.
His views on the middle east seem confused.
There is nobody there who can be trusted to run a satellite soviet state.
Look at Najibullah in Afghanistan.
No, it is all a long way away and likely to stay so.
At stake, the promise of a Great Victory (an, I am making this up now, mineral rights).
Oh and at the drop of a hat, Oceana is no longer at war with Eurasia. It is at war with Eastasia.
Rinse and repeat.
So my take is this.
There will be no US troops in combat un Ukrain.
(The fact there are Russian troops there is a sign of Putin's weakness and recklessness, risking domestic protests, albeit he crushed that easily).
Putin will not escalate to nuclear
Putin will never invade Alaska
Putin will settle for perpetual churn in Eastern Ukraine until Ukrain capitulates.
Britain and the EU will not be able to reach an agreement on how to assist Ukraine.
Britain and the UK may follow Biden's policy of sending weapons and money to perpetuate the meat-grinder
And in the end a deal will be signed and Ukraine will have lost much land and countless people.
As for the global ramifications, there are none.
Putin may start another war somewhere else in its former empire where there is a large Russian population.
But not on distant sovereign soil.
His views on the middle east seem confused.
There is nobody there who can be trusted to run a satellite soviet state.
Look at Najibullah in Afghanistan.
No, it is all a long way away and likely to stay so.
Poskettspurpose
Well-known member
- Jun 18, 2021
- 126
Is this not partially NATO's fault - Russia gave clear warnings not to encroach on it's borders? Is this a self fulfilling prophecy? The only beneficiaries for such a conflict would be the arms industry at the cost of tax payers across the world.
Poskettspurpose
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- Jun 18, 2021
- 126
Your choice is linear - i'm sorry I meant #yourchoiceislinear
When did NAT 'encroach' on Russia's borders? The biggest 'expansion' contiguous with Russia's border has come since he started his war, not before.
- Oct 17, 2008
- 16,179
The only people I’ve seen put forward this ideology/justification for Russian aggression are Russian sympathisers.
Poskettspurpose
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- Jun 18, 2021
- 126
Again as i've told others, respond with facts not feelings - just an example on coverage around this topic - before responding do some research;
That's an opinion piece. Not fact!
Yes, but we didn't have the psychopathic megalomaniac Hitler twins (Trump and Putin) in charge then.
The Grockle
Formally Croydon Seagull
If Putin were to invade the Baltics we'd be fighting for our very existence. I dont think it will happen but I think Putin will be boosted by Trumps shit show yesterday, I don't see an easy end to this war.
Quite, if there is a benefit to all this is that the UK and Europe will hopefully stop relying on USA
Build European forces up
Poskettspurpose
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- Jun 18, 2021
- 126
Yeah but you didn't research opinion or fact (ie anything beyond your narrative)?
- Oct 17, 2008
- 16,179
The cracks are showing, comrade!
? So, you cited that article as containing facts to show your superior research, whilst knowing that it was just an opinion piece, and not facts at all.
It is a simple and acknowledged fact that the greatest expansion of NATO along Russia's borders has only happened since he began his war.
Let’s hope we never have to find out, having spent a few days on a Polaris Boat and an insightful week onboard a Trident boat, not on patrol i might add ( Both times confirming i’d made the right choice to join General Service/Surface Fleet) i’m more than satisfied that they put to sea ready and capable to fire in anger
