[Help] #WeAreAllZelenskyyNow

[GoldstoneVintage]

He reminds me of a colleague of nearly 40 years standing.

Successful professor
Directorships.
Former president of my research society.
From Eastbourne.

Another colleague describes him thus.

"His mind is entirely free from intellectual restraint.
He comes up with ideas like a man waving a shotgun,
who fires repeatedly into the air until he hits a bird
then says 'see, I was right'."

And what's wrong with Eastbourne?

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

And what's wrong with Eastbourne?

Nothing.
It was a helpful clue for anyone curious and keen to identify the chap.

 

[cunning fergus]

All those tactics are decades out of date.

What tactics…..do you mean armies are out of date? I missed that meeting, someone should tell zalensky.

 

[cunning fergus]

How many troops would we need to mobilise to help win the war in Ukraine and engage in a wider conflict? 100k...250k?? I strongly believe the British army is much stronger than the sum of its parts, probably the strongest in the world per head but to be effective we'd need 10's of thousands of regular people to sign up, I don't think the 18-35 year olds in this country have it in them to win a war, not in the same way our grandparents did.

The WW2 generation were the children of the WW1 generation, it’s even more remarkable that they served as they did.

That generation is light years from where we are now and on so many levels. Societies in the West are now far richer than they were and arguably much more cynical of authority (some may say mature) than previously.

That trajectory is not changing, and there are plenty of reasons to understand why the younger generation is not inclined to fight for the U.K. The days of the Bradford Pals are gone.

 

[Machiavelli]

Sorry to break it to you, but there is no massive European military. Like it or not Trump has exposed the consequences of decades of European military decline. This country has less than 20k front line troops and no more than 200 tanks. We are upgrading 148 of those to be the new C3. We are in comparison to Ukraine a military minnow.

We have no industrial base to turn that around either, quite the contrary we are de industrialising at pace and that will continue all the while we have the highest commercial energy prices in the West.

Even if we re-directed the NHS budget towards defence it may not matter, because as a nation, and as Ukraine has demonstrated, all credit to them, you need the will to fight. I doubt Western Europe has the same will to fight as Ukraine. The generation we would look to in this country to take up arms don’t appear to have the same outlook as you.

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We should stop the sabre rattling in case we need to pull it out of the scabbard………….only to expose a bread stick.

Somewhat predictable that you'd emerge and spout some pro-Putin

 

[Justice]

In addition, those that queued in line to volunteer were refused because of flat feet or heart mummers. Now if you try to force the youth to sign up by conscription the moral and medical reasons will be endless. The societal pressures put on young men during both major European wars difficult to ignore not sure if that is the case now.

One volunteer is better than ten pressed men/women/others.

I served in the military and can absolutely state that for most of my career my unit was undermanned and recruitment and retention poor. This country does not have the military to defend the Isle of Wight.

If you speak to the younger generation they aren’t idiots, they can see the way the government has treated its ex military people who served for their country leaving them homeless on the streets to fend for themselves.
All those with missing limbs for what? Blair’s lies.

 

[Littlemo]

Glad to see Northstandchat armchair keyboard pundits are just as willing and arrogant to transpose their obviously huge intellect into politics. These threads tbh make me want to vomit. You don't 'do nothing' to get peace, you work extremely hard to negotiate and sometimes that means compromise. Sitting behind your keyboard urging others to sacrifice themselves in the name of you ideals is quite frankly pathetic. The whole 'Trump bad - Zelensky good' argument doesn't wash with me. I'm no fan of Trump but Zelensky is no saint and the Biden's appear to have nefarious intent with regards to Ukraine and all countries (that includes the European Union Germany/France) along with their big business and financial institutions are looking for opportunities to exploit and profit.

Read a book before you comment.

You have no idea what any of my ideals are. Saying that you have to be ready if war is imposed on you is hardly advocating anything and certainly isn’t expecting anyone to sacrifice themselves for me.

The US aren’t advocating for peace at all, they were trying to negotiate the Ukraine’s surrender. They wanted to take about 3 years worth of GDP of the Ukraine’s minerals to do what? They couldn’t even get any security guarantees for them at all, so it was never a peace deal at all. Russia would rearm and invade again down the line.

There was no compromise on the Russian side was there? Where is the scorn against Putin for prolonging a war that HE started? Or the concern for dead Russian men? You can f*** off with your US and Russian rhetoric, Ukraine have done nothing wrong.

 

[A mex eyecan]

Let’s hope we never have to find out, having spent a few days on a Polaris Boat and an insightful week onboard a Trident boat, not on patrol i might add ( Both times confirming i’d made the right choice to join General Service/Surface Fleet) i’m more than satisfied that they put to sea ready and capable to fire in anger

personally, i can’t think of a more horrible environment to be in than a sub.